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0:31 "On the Baltic Wave" is a program where
0:34 I, Alexei Belyaev, a Belarusian
0:36 journalist, political scientist, and
0:38 historian, invite guests to the studio
0:40 who know firsthand what life on the
0:42 shores of the Baltic is like, who were,
0:45 so to speak, members of Baltic societies
0:47 , who know from their own experience all
0:50 the troubles and difficulties that
0:52 citizens of the Baltic region are going
0:54 through today, and can therefore share
0:56 with you their memories, impressions,
1:01 and feelings, offer wise advice, and try
1:03 to lift the veil on the future and make
1:05 some predictions about how the Baltic
1:07 states will develop further.
1:10 And these wonderful people will be with
1:13 us today. First, a former Latvian, now a
1:15 Belarusian, and currently a Belarusian
1:17 journalist, Yuri Alekseev. Hello, Yuri.
1:20 >> Also a former Latvian, now a Belarusian
1:23 blogger, Roman Samul. Hello, Roman.
1:27 An active Lithuanian public figure and
1:29 activist, chairman of the International
1:32 Good Neighborliness Forum, but currently
1:34 forced to stay in Belarus because, for
1:37 some reason, they decided to prosecute
1:39 him in his native Lithuania for calling
1:42 for good neighborliness between our
1:46 Edikas Jagelavicius, hello.
1:47 >> Greetings to everyone.
1:48 >> And finally, another active Lithuanian
1:51 politician, entrepreneur, and blogger,
1:54 also forced to stay outside of Lithuania
1:57 today, because they keep opening case
2:00 after case against him, sometimes over
2:05 But most importantly, all of this is
2:07 connected, first and foremost, to his
2:09 political stance, because he also
2:11 suggests using common sense and building
2:14 relations between countries based on
2:16 mutual interests rather than inventing
2:20 Antanas Kandratas, hello, Antanas.
2:22 >> Friends. Let me clarify. I thought my
2:24 criminal cases were already over, that I
2:26 had been sentenced once and for all. I
2:30 The following week, I was under
2:32 suspicion again, and they opened a new
2:35 criminal case, this time from the
2:37 cybercrimes department.
2:41 Well, it’s most likely related to the
2:43 Baltic Wave, I suspect.
2:45 >> I have a suspicion that with every
2:47 broadcast, more and more of these
2:49 criminal cases will just keep piling up
2:52 . In the end, seven lifetimes won't be
2:56 >> So, well, my friends, where should we
2:59 There is an interesting topic currently
3:01 circulating on the internet that also
3:04 pops up in our news from time to time.
3:07 It is related to religious denominations
3:10 , specifically the Lithuanian Orthodox
3:14 And now, Lithuanian politicians have set
3:17 their sights on this confession as well
3:20 Let me remind you that the Lithuanian
3:23 Orthodox Church is still considered a
3:25 traditional religious community.
3:27 If we look at it, the emergence of
3:30 Orthodoxy in Lithuania dates back, well
3:34 , at least to the 13th century.
3:37 There are the famous Vilnius martyrs who
3:40 were martyred back then, and in their
3:43 honor there are churches, icons, and
3:46 veneration throughout the Russian
3:52 At least a couple of years ago, the
3:54 number of believers who consider
3:56 themselves part of the Lithuanian
3:58 Orthodox Church was about 140,000 people
4:01 That is a significant amount, actually,
4:04 yes, a significant number.
4:07 But today we see that there is a very
4:09 active assault on canonical Orthodoxy by
4:12 the Lithuanian government.
4:14 And I will remind you that the
4:17 Lithuanian Orthodox Church is, in
4:19 essence, spiritually connected; it is
4:22 linked to the Russian Orthodox Church
4:25 and is, in a way, a branch of it.
4:31 bills are being considered in the
4:34 Lithuanian parliament that provide for
4:37 the possibility, first of all, of
4:40 seizing certain shrines from the current
4:45 This refers primarily to the Holy Spirit
4:48 Monastery and several churches.
4:50 Secondly, they want to exclude it from
4:52 the list of traditional religious
4:54 communities of Lithuania. And what then
4:57 could be more traditional than Orthodoxy
4:59 ? Because, well, in essence, Orthodoxy
5:01 and Catholicism entered Lithuania almost
5:06 And perhaps Orthodoxy was even there
5:08 earlier, because the same Grand Dukes,
5:11 like Algirdas, for example, he ruled—
5:13 well, Algirdas was much earlier than the
5:19 Algirdas ruled the territory of the
5:20 Grand Duchy of Lithuania, which included
5:23 Belarusian lands and Ukrainian lands.
5:25 That is, in essence, he was ruling over
5:28 And the Orthodox Church was present in
5:30 Lithuania, among other places.
5:32 And there are Orthodox churches in
5:35 Vilnius today that are among the oldest
5:37 , even compared to many Catholic
5:42 Trying, under some political pretext, to
5:45 squeeze out the Orthodox Church—this is
5:48 the task that Lithuanian politicians
5:51 have set for themselves today.
5:55 In response to this, the head of the
5:57 Lithuanian Orthodox Church, Metropolitan
6:00 Innocent of Vilnius and Lithuania,
6:02 appealed to the country's leadership
6:04 with concern regarding these actions and
6:06 measures being gathered against the
6:12 Appeals have already been made to the
6:15 leadership, committees, and factions of
6:18 the Lithuanian Seimas.
6:21 The brotherhood of the Orthodox Holy
6:23 Spirit Monastery of Vilnius and the
6:25 parishioners of the Vilnius Orthodox
6:28 parish of the Holy Great Martyr
6:30 Paraskeva Pyatnitsa have spoken out,
6:32 stating that they categorically disagree
6:34 with any initiatives and actions based
6:37 on political suspicions and fabricated
6:39 accusations, which could lead to the
6:42 eviction of monks from the monastery,
6:44 the seizure of the church and monastery
6:48 and the restriction of the legitimate
6:50 religious activities of the Lithuanian
6:55 And besides that, the church is
6:57 essentially being forced to change its
7:00 jurisdiction, effectively compelling the
7:03 Lithuanian Orthodox Church to come under
7:05 the leadership of the Ecumenical
7:07 Patriarchate of Constantinople.
7:12 In other words, to change their faith,
7:14 if we speak plainly, to switch from the
7:17 subordination of the Russian Orthodox
7:19 Church under the Moscow Patriarchate, to
7:22 move to an entirely different church,
7:26 because today we have more than a dozen
7:29 independent existing churches—the
7:31 so-called autocephalous ones—and all
7:34 this is happening against the backdrop
7:36 of the church being officially separated
7:39 from the state in Lithuania.
7:43 So the Lithuanian government and the
7:46 Seimas are trying to violate the
7:49 canonical, or internal, church rules,
7:52 forcing them to change their leaders and
7:56 effectively move to a slightly different
8:02 At the same time, for example, Mindaugas
8:05 Goscevičius says he is open to any
8:07 discussions regarding restrictions on
8:10 the canonical church, but so far he
8:13 hasn't received any information on this
8:16 matter from his State Security
8:22 Lithuanian President Gitanas Nausėda
8:24 stated that he has no reason to doubt
8:26 the loyalty of the Orthodox community,
8:29 but he said he wants to believe that the
8:31 Orthodox community are first and
8:33 foremost citizens of the Republic of
8:35 Lithuania, and only then believers.
8:40 And it is important that the Orthodox
8:41 community must decide who they want to
8:45 So it is still a form of soft
8:49 >> And who is promoting these bills by all
8:54 These are two staunch Russophobes:
8:56 Audronius Ažubalis and Arvydas
9:00 Arvydas Anušauskas is a seasoned
9:03 Russophobe, an ally of Vytautas
9:05 Landsbergis from the Sajūdis movement.
9:09 This is the inner circle of these most
9:11 fervent Lithuanian Russophobes. So they
9:14 are the ones pushing this bill through
9:19 They are citing alleged threats to
9:24 And as Bishop Ambrose of Trakai said,
9:31 they are transferring the Ukrainian
9:33 conflict, what happened in Ukraine, and
9:36 they want to do the same thing in
9:39 And this is, of course, very dangerous,
9:41 and this is certainly what those
9:43 Russophobes are striving for.
9:45 >> Let me just add a little bit.
9:48 Well, not a little, a bit more. Yes,
9:50 this is obviously the Ukrainian model.
9:54 Well, everyone immediately understood
9:58 what this is all about.
10:00 I’m not even surprised that this is
10:03 exactly how it will happen; regardless
10:06 of how the situation in Ukraine ends,
10:08 they will need to ignite a new epicenter
10:12 And most likely, they are preparing for
10:15 this model as well and are betting on it
10:22 the Russian Federation recently passed a
10:24 law regarding the protection of Russian
10:26 speakers. Naturally, this includes
10:29 Orthodox people as well.
10:33 I follow the news very closely, but the
10:35 most interesting thing is that this news
10:38 wasn't presented broadly, because I only
10:40 heard about it here, and I'm very
10:45 But I'll say right away that I
10:46 understood where this is heading, and
10:48 why nothing was spread broadly, and why
10:50 none of the portals we follow wrote
10:55 Because, naturally, well, religion is
11:01 And even those who aren't Orthodox will
11:03 say: no, guys, stop, this is already too
11:07 Even some people, Christians, are
11:09 already afraid...well, if they say
11:11 anything publicly in the comments, the
11:14 public opinion will be there, everyone
11:16 will understand, and they won't support
11:20 So obviously, it's too early to bring
11:23 this out, especially to the public.
11:26 Yes, the information passed somewhere
11:28 among journalists, but they didn't throw
11:30 it to the general public, because, I
11:32 repeat, my team and I monitor social
11:34 networks very carefully, and what the
11:36 main channels post, this information
11:38 definitely didn't leak.
11:41 There is a reason. Now, one point you
11:44 mentioned is about striking them from
11:48 the list of traditional religions.
11:54 This is very, very serious, and I will
11:56 now explain the proposed model.
12:00 I hope this won't serve as advice for
12:01 them on how this could happen.
12:05 When you remove an organization, any
12:08 religious organization, from these lists
12:11 of traditional religions, they lose
12:13 their tax-exempt status.
12:18 And remember, there were huge protests a
12:21 couple of years ago in Lithuania when
12:24 they calculated how much they raised and
12:27 imposed property taxes.
12:31 And can you imagine what the valuation
12:33 is, because it all stems from the price
12:37 And I assume, what will they do for the
12:40 They will calculate the property tax.
12:45 I imagine all such places, temples, how
12:47 they will be valued is unclear, but most
12:49 likely, it'll be expensive.
12:53 And I think, the first year, the second
12:56 year, obviously, this is a long-term
13:01 And simply, in this way, for non-payment
13:05 of taxes, they will just seize the
13:08 property, and guess who they will hand
13:15 They will hand it over to the
13:20 >> Patriarchate, and they will say: you
13:22 know, we didn't do anything.
13:24 We just moved an egg from one basket to
13:28 another basket. And you, Orthodox people
13:31 , can continue to go there, yes, you can
13:33 do everything there, just like that.
13:37 So, basically, this is being done very
13:40 skillfully—well, you have to praise your
13:43 opponents sometimes—the destruction of
13:46 the Orthodox Church specifically is
13:48 being carried out in this very way.
13:52 I think it will be done exactly like
13:54 that. The method is in question.
13:56 Or it will be the same thing that
13:58 happened when the Right Sector and so on
14:01 and so forth were kicking people out of
14:05 We have the same kind of volunteers, the
14:07 Riflemen's Union; those local
14:09 nationalists will be found, and they
14:11 will definitely be found.
14:13 And they will set fires, and so on, and
14:16 so on. I think here
14:18 >> It's a very dangerous game, because as
14:21 you said, everything related to religion
14:24 and so on, it's very, let's say, in the
14:27 >> Roman, do you think they won't go for it
14:29 ? They already have.
14:31 >> No, they will, they will.
14:33 The Ukrainization of the Baltics has
14:35 happened. Yes, the Ukrainization of the
14:36 Baltics has happened. And the very same
14:38 processes were happening there, right?
14:40 Alexei Viktorovich is saying, yes.
14:41 >> in the Seimas, the parliament, they are
14:43 all under the Ukrainian flag.
14:45 >> I can tell you a little bit about Latvia
14:47 Starting from 2014, um, Metropolitan
14:55 so to speak, the head of the Latvian
14:58 Orthodox Church—was forced several times
15:02 to repent on television, to announce
15:04 that he has no, no, no ties to the
15:07 Moscow Patriarchate, that he belongs to
15:10 the Russian Orthodox Church, sort of,
15:13 but not really, and has no ties
15:16 whatsoever. And uh, well how is that?
15:20 So this is starting, so to speak, as a
15:22 kind of autocephaly, like, well, how can
15:24 the church belong to the Russian
15:26 Orthodox Church and be part of it?
15:29 But he has no ties.
15:31 So, regarding Ukraine
15:34 >> It’s just that in 2022, the Seimas
15:36 adopted an amendment to the law on the
15:39 Latvian Orthodox Church, and the state's
15:43 Seimas changed the status of the Latvian
15:46 Orthodox Church to autocephalous.
15:50 So, a decision by secular authorities
15:53 >> was made regarding a church organization
15:55 , and in Latvia, the church is also
15:56 separated from the state.
15:59 So they decided that now the Latvian
16:01 Church will be autocephalous, meaning it
16:03 will no longer be subordinate to the
16:05 Moscow Patriarchate as it was before.
16:07 At the same time, the Moscow
16:09 Patriarchate still does not agree with
16:11 this and considers the Latvian Church to
16:14 be its self-governing church within the
16:16 Moscow Patriarchate.
16:19 They did essentially the same thing in
16:21 Estonia, where they even forced the
16:23 Orthodox Church to change its name twice
16:25 , and where they also declare today that
16:28 it is not part of the Moscow
16:29 Patriarchate, even though these were
16:31 directly, as it were, branches.
16:35 Well, here we see the secular
16:36 authorities of the Baltics meddling in
16:38 matters that are not their business at
16:41 Not their business at all.
16:43 And why don't they declare, for example
16:46 , the Latvian Catholic Church, or the
16:48 Lithuanian Catholic Church?
16:51 Why don't they declare them
16:53 autocephalous and say that it's time to
16:55 stop obeying the Vatican, let the
16:57 Lithuanian or Latvian Catholic Church be
17:01 Well, it's exactly the same logic.
17:05 If you want to have a state church in
17:07 your country, go ahead, take it further
17:11 Separate the Muslim communities, say
17:13 there is no global Ummah, there is only
17:15 the Muslim community of Lithuania and
17:17 that's it, and you will only answer to
17:20 The same thing there with the Lutherans
17:24 Well, the attack is aimed exclusively at
17:27 the Orthodox Church, because it is
17:30 Russian, because it is one of the
17:32 foundations of Russian identity within
17:35 the Baltics, and because it remains
17:38 influential and still has an impact on
17:41 its followers in some way.
17:45 In Latvia, by the way, the community of
17:47 Orthodox believers was also around
17:49 100,000. 140,000 in Lithuania, 100,000
17:52 in Latvia. Of course, this scares the
17:55 But, excuse me, you are meddling in
17:58 things that have existed here for
18:00 millennia, you are beginning to use them
18:03 for your own political
18:06 >> I mentioned the night.
18:08 Sorry for interrupting, but I think it
18:10 is important to say, I'll tell you one
18:12 story that happened a few years ago.
18:15 You specifically mentioned the Vatican.
18:18 Well, we know perfectly well, and as a
18:20 historian you definitely know, when the
18:23 crusaders arrived we had a different
18:27 We believed in trees and so on, there
18:30 was a different faith.
18:34 And there are quite a lot of people who
18:37 still profess this faith.
18:42 And there was a situation where an
18:44 organization called
18:48 it has a complete structure.
18:50 I don't know exactly how many members
18:52 they have, but quite a lot.
18:56 They celebrate all these old holidays,
18:59 some of which are even state holidays, I
19:02 don't know how to say it in Russian,
19:04 even a national holiday.
19:07 And they had this story, because how?
19:12 We officially have religious sects that
19:14 are looked upon askance; they have some
19:17 sort of strange image, they pray there,
19:20 do something, and so on, but the state
19:23 does not recognize them.
19:27 After 25 years, an organization can
19:30 apply to be recognized by the state.
19:34 Well, they applied, this was about 4
19:39 They appealed, saying look, we have been
19:41 professing this faith for over 30 years
19:42 , burning bonfires, celebrating the same
19:49 By the way, these are their traditional
19:50 holidays and so on, right?
19:57 Everything had already passed in
19:58 parliament, everything was ready, there
20:00 would be a vote in parliament and they
20:02 would be recognized.
20:04 They had already gathered ceremonially,
20:07 there was a press conference, and so on
20:11 And some deputies told me back then that
20:14 certain individuals, including the
20:17 president, received worried calls from
20:21 the Vatican saying, "Stop."
20:25 And what do you think? At that moment,
20:27 they were not recognized.
20:29 This was in 2020 or 2021.
20:34 And only last year or this year, I don't
20:37 remember exactly, they achieved official
20:40 recognition through international courts
20:45 So, there you go, a local religion under
20:48 leadership, well, there's no country
20:51 involved, no curators needed, right?
20:55 I want to clarify this point in what you
20:58 described. Let's say we renounce the
21:01 Vatican. No. But the local one
21:03 suppresses and stifles them so they stay
21:05 silent and disappear, right?
21:09 And what kind of wars were there when
21:10 the Crusaders arrived?
21:12 The Battle of Grunwald. Why are we in
21:14 Lithuania proud of that? What was that
21:16 war actually about? Who was fighting
21:18 whom there, if we're being honest, right
21:21 And the Crusaders really lived it up
21:22 there, didn't they?
21:24 >> The Crusaders had already made their
21:27 mark back in the days of Constantinople
21:29 . So, they came as if to seek the Holy
21:32 Sepulchre, you know, over in Palestine,
21:37 >> But on the way, they looted the Church
21:41 >> They plundered everything they found
21:44 >> Yes, everything here is like...
21:46 Those were good times, the Crusaders,
21:49 >> It was a good time.
21:51 >> We won't look at the Middle Ages. We
21:54 just have to proceed from the fact that
21:57 Europe is a place where religious
22:00 tolerance should exist. No one says, you
22:04 can't say in Germany or France, that the
22:07 Muslims or Arabs are to blame.
22:11 You might offend the migrants, right?
22:15 But here, it turns out, one can dump all
22:17 the sins onto a traditional denomination
22:20 , onto a church that has existed here
22:22 for not just centuries, we are talking
22:24 about a millennium practically.
22:28 >> No, well, if you remove the financial
22:30 component here, you know, taxes and so
22:32 on, that is also dangerous for them,
22:34 because the church has great influence.
22:38 And those grandmothers and grandfathers
22:40 who go there, they have sons and
22:44 And accordingly, they raise their
22:45 children in the correct Orthodox, you
22:47 know, these traditions.
22:49 And how is it for us?
22:50 We need to be strong in spirit, we need
22:52 to know how to forgive and so on, we
22:54 need to be able to think and accept
22:55 everything correctly, so to speak.
22:58 Well, if you look at the Orthodox Church
23:01 And, of course, they don't need such
23:03 people, because they can, let's say,
23:05 with their mercy—and Russians, and
23:07 generally people, Slavic people
23:09 themselves are very kind and forgive a
23:12 And, well, it's hard to paint us as
23:15 those kinds of beasts that they are
23:17 trying to portray. Well, it's pure
23:19 ideology on one hand, if you look at it
23:22 >> No, well, if we return to Ukraine again
23:24 , in 2014 there was still no 8-year war
23:28 So, President Poroshenko comes into
23:31 What the hell, I don't know what his
23:33 religion, you know, is.
23:36 He comes and announces "Army, Language,
23:41 I mean, you understand, first the army,
23:43 meaning prepare for war.
23:45 >> Language means we are replacing our
23:48 identity. And faith, naturally. And
23:52 really, eight years later, the war
23:55 And it starts—it began exactly with that
23:57 , with Army, Language, Faith.
23:59 >> Well, by the way, yes.
24:00 >> As for language and faith, that was the
24:03 granting of this mythical Tomos, a kind
24:06 of autonomy from the Russian Orthodox
24:09 Church; that is, driving a deeper wedge
24:12 , a schism that still hasn't been
24:15 overcome in Ukraine.
24:18 And we see this method of splitting
24:20 society being used in the Baltics as
24:22 well, for a long time and consistently,
24:27 But now, after the special military
24:28 operation, they’ve stopped being shy.
24:31 They just stopped being shy. I will
24:33 repeat again, churches are separated
24:35 from the state everywhere, and the state
24:37 should not interfere in matters of
24:39 religious doctrine.
24:42 It can regulate the activity of a church
24:44 as a public organization, things related
24:47 to property ownership or tax payments,
24:50 but you shouldn't meddle in the
24:52 foundations of faith or issue directives
24:56 And the canonical subordination of a
24:58 church is one of the foundations of
25:00 internal church life.
25:03 Meaning who to commemorate as your
25:05 primate—the Orthodox Patriarch of Moscow
25:08 and All Russia—or commemorating the
25:10 Patriarch of Constantinople, that is
25:12 interference in canonical, that is,
25:14 purely internal church affairs.
25:16 >> This is preparation for war.
25:19 Just as you rightly said, language, then
25:22 religion, it's all part of it, and all
25:24 of it, of course, combined, is
25:26 preparation for war.
25:28 That's it. That is exactly how states
25:30 disappear later on.
25:32 >> At the moment in Ukraine, what's
25:34 happening is that monks and priests have
25:36 had their draft exemptions revoked and
25:37 are being conscripted into the army,
25:41 Meaning they are being called to war. I
25:44 >> All monks and priests, or only those of
25:46 specific confessions?
25:49 Is anyone drafting the Catholic Church?
25:51 No. The Uniate Church? No. Just this
25:56 >> And Muslims are most likely being
25:59 >> Only, only, only the ROC.
26:02 Those who didn't renounce their faith.
26:04 It should be noted that some did
26:06 renounce it; not everyone turned out to
26:08 be that strong in spirit.
26:11 >> Well, of course, when you are being
26:12 beaten and killed, not everyone has the
26:16 But what we are observing, yes, is state
26:18 terror against the church, exceptional
26:20 political persecution.
26:23 Well, it's quite strange that this is
26:25 happening in the 21st century, that
26:27 today we are somehow back in the times
26:29 of Nero, as if they were burning
26:30 Orthodox Christians.
26:35 >> You know, as we said in one of the past
26:38 shows, for Belarusians, many things
26:40 happening in the Baltics seem strange.
26:43 But for those who lived in the Baltics,
26:44 the circus isn't funny anymore. It is a
26:46 fact. What is happening there today does
26:49 not seem strange to us—to Antanas,
26:52 Edikus, Yuri, or to me personally. When
26:55 we talk about these things, why do many
26:57 Belarusians not take it seriously? They
26:59 think that we are propagandists, and
27:01 that we are intentionally slandering our
27:04 countries here. That is, in fact, the
27:05 case. I have spoken with some of them.
27:07 But if they were to immerse themselves
27:10 in that unhealthy Baltic atmosphere, God
27:14 forbid, their hair would stand on end,
27:17 you know? Well, it is a fact. Such
27:19 things are happening there.
27:20 >> What, Roman? In almost every broadcast,
27:23 we discuss this spike in military
27:25 spending, that is, the militarization of
27:28 the Baltic republics. What is this? It
27:30 is an army following Poroshenko’s
27:35 Russian language in Latvia now—not only
27:38 have all Russian schools been switched
27:43 They are simply forbidden to speak it;
27:44 the police even forbid them from
27:46 speaking Russian among themselves.
27:48 So what is left? Well, faith. That is
27:51 >> That is it, this is the final stage.
27:52 >> The trinity, the holy trinity of a Nazi
27:56 >> And this is leading—where is it leading
27:58 ? Well, it is leading to war.
28:00 >> Faith is a cult.
28:01 And the modern cult of the modern person
28:04 >> It is a form of ideology.
28:07 >> And sports, too, have now come under the
28:09 close scrutiny of the vigilant Baltic
28:14 An Estonian TV channel has deprived its
28:16 viewers of watching the closing of the
28:19 Youth Olympic Games in Dakar in late
28:21 October and mid-November.
28:24 This is because the International
28:26 Olympic Committee allowed athletes from
28:29 Russia and Belarus to attend ceremonies
28:31 with national symbols.
28:33 Therefore, Estonia will not broadcast
28:36 these ceremonies for its viewers.
28:38 And apparently, when Russian or
28:40 Belarusian athletes win and are awarded
28:43 , they will likely also cut the live
28:47 There you go. One has to ask, who
28:49 benefits from this, who is this
28:54 In Lithuania, Kęstutis Budrys, the head
28:57 of the Foreign Ministry, criticized the
29:00 International Modern Pentathlon Union,
29:02 which stripped Lithuania of the right to
29:05 host a World Cup stage in 2027.
29:09 And they were stripped of it because
29:10 Lithuania decided not to let in Russian
29:12 and Belarusian athletes and stated that
29:14 they would not issue them visas.
29:17 And in doing so, they violated the
29:19 decision of the International Olympic
29:23 Well, the minister noted that Vilnius’s
29:25 position regarding the participation of
29:27 Russians and Belarusians in
29:28 international tournaments has not
29:31 This means that they will not even sit
29:34 in the same field next to Belarusian and
29:39 But when we see that in the global
29:41 Olympic movement, more and more Olympic
29:43 committees are lifting the bans on the
29:46 participation of Russian and Belarusian
29:49 athletes, yes, and allowing them to use
29:54 Then the Baltic states find themselves
29:55 in the minority. Their teams are
29:57 prohibited from participating in the
30:01 They refuse, for example, if the
30:03 football teams of Lithuania and Belarus
30:05 are drawn against each other, the
30:06 Lithuanian team won't take the field,
30:08 they accept a technical defeat, but are
30:10 very pleased that they demonstrated
30:12 their political stance.
30:14 One has to ask, why is this necessary
30:17 and what will it lead to?
30:19 And what is the point of it all, if we
30:22 are already seeing a warming trend, the
30:24 lifting of these bans that were
30:26 introduced under the guise of fighting
30:28 an "aggressor country."
30:31 >> I was following this event, and the
30:39 I think we have already turned the tide
30:43 Meaning, from our side, common sense is
30:46 returning to the whole world.
30:49 Well, of course, the Baltics are always
30:51 the first to be bad and the last to
30:52 accept anything good.
30:54 But that is just how it is.
30:58 And this sign, that the organization
31:01 behind these competitions refused and
31:08 It is, well, naturally understandable,
31:10 because they see the politics. Why host
31:12 a championship in such a country if some
31:15 athletes from a certain country will be
31:18 denied their rights, won't be allowed
31:22 into that country, will be treated
31:25 negatively, or perhaps face some sort of
31:31 Every athlete, any federation—I know
31:34 many federation chairmen in Lithuania—
31:36 they try to normally and adequately
31:38 avoid any politics.
31:41 They say: "Guys, we are about sports."
31:43 And, of course, few say it publicly
31:45 because it is not safe for us. We are
31:48 expected to reason in a certain way.
31:49 Russia and Belarus must be needled,
31:51 athletes must be humiliated, and so on
31:53 and so forth. And whoever manages to
31:55 mock something or pull off a provocation
31:57 , they will be praised, maybe even given
31:59 some kind of prize.
32:01 This exists in Lithuania, and we are
32:03 already getting our own poison back.
32:07 And I think, it’s a pity, of course,
32:09 that my own country—every such world
32:11 championship in any sport is income for
32:16 Our people invest so much so that
32:17 Lithuania is known throughout the world
32:21 And where is it now? But now, a little
32:22 bit about the Dakar. That will be more
32:24 interesting. As a race car driver myself
32:25 , I find that much, much more
32:27 Not only is the Dakar moving to Africa
32:30 in an accelerated manner.
32:32 Everyone was planning to go somewhere in
32:35 the Emirates. But what is happening
32:37 there now? What are the Americans doing
32:39 ? They pulled out their bases and said,
32:41 "defend yourselves." And things are
32:43 lively there. Well, that's that. And the
32:45 Dakar is moving back to Africa.
32:50 I'll tell a little bit of the history,
32:52 why the Dakar was always the famous
32:54 Paris-Dakar rally, right?
32:57 Why did the organizers move it out of
33:00 Africa and go to South America?
33:04 Because the situation in Africa was
33:06 simply uncontrollable, some terrorists
33:08 just killed athletes, and they
33:09 apparently stole a vehicle, it’s all a
33:13 And just after a few such situations,
33:15 the federation said, well, they also had
33:18 their own political proclamations and
33:20 committed a murder, I don't remember in
33:22 which African country.
33:24 So that’s why...well, now we are
33:28 It’s interesting what will happen, but
33:30 even though I am Lithuanian, in the past
33:33 season, Vaidotas Zala, whom I know well
33:35 , doesn't know me now because he is
33:39 He has already forgotten all about me.
33:41 He became the truck champion.
33:45 But I don't know if Vladimir Chagin will
33:47 return with KAMAZ or not, but I would
33:50 like for them to compete for real.
33:54 Because if, on the other hand, you keep
33:56 proving that one must defeat Russia,
33:58 Belarus, and so on and so forth, well
34:00 then, go ahead and win.
34:02 There was the Cold War.
34:05 Look at the matches there were, Canada
34:07 versus the Soviet Union, in hockey.
34:11 Basketball was the same thing.
34:13 Lithuanian Zalgiris versus the Moscow
34:16 Russian CSKA as well. Everyone
34:19 understood that it was rooted in
34:21 politics, how everyone rejoiced, "Oh, we
34:23 won over Russia!" So go ahead and win.
34:28 But when they realize they’ll get their
34:31 butts kicked, then everything goes the
34:36 And the main thing is that we also had
34:40 such a fight, this Sergey Masloboev,
34:43 very pro-Lithuania.
34:46 He, by the way, said he is more of a
34:48 patriot than, than, he says, even though
34:51 I have a Russian name and surname, I am
34:53 more of a patriot than some cellophane
34:55 wrapper, actually. He recently expressed
34:59 But the point is, he refused, he was
35:01 scheduled for a fight with a Russian
35:08 The question was about defending the
35:12 Well, he's serious, he is very
35:13 professional, of course.
35:15 And he refused? Why did he refuse? He,
35:21 >> Yes, he got scared because there was a
35:23 risk, he found out how much this Russian
35:25 had prepared during all that time.
35:29 And he backed out of this fight. So you
35:31 go, win, prove it, right?
35:36 >> Come on, let me tell you a little bit
35:38 about how sports were in the Soviet era
35:41 So, there was a famous hockey team in
35:44 Riga, Latvia, Dynamo Riga.
35:48 And they played at the level of the top
35:51 three, you see. Well, the most powerful
35:53 one was, of course, CSKA, the Central
35:54 Sports Club of the Army. That’s the
35:56 Moscow one and so on.
35:58 The Soviet Union national team was
35:59 formed from that CSKA and so on, you see
36:04 And after one of the championships,
36:06 where Latvia took second place, in the
36:09 final they almost beat CSKA, almost took
36:11 first, but still lost, though they
36:13 played incredibly well.
36:15 And CSKA took from...
36:20 the Dinamo Riga team, coached by
36:22 Tikhonov, Vyacheslav Tikhonov...wait,
36:24 not Vyacheslav, I forgot, Tikhonov and
36:27 the famous forward Helmut Balderis.
36:32 So it turned out that Latvia had two
36:35 teams it was rooting for.
36:38 Basically, Dinamo Riga, of course, and
36:40 CSKA, because our coach was there, our
36:42 Balderis was there. Right.
36:45 But the funniest thing was, I was at
36:47 that match when CSKA played Dinamo Riga
36:51 And Helmut Balderis...
36:53 the stands started chanting "Helmut, go
36:56 home! Helmut, go home!"
36:59 Balderis scored a goal against Dinamo
37:02 Riga, then turned around, made a gesture
37:04 with his arm, and showed them everything
37:08 And the thing was, there was no malice
37:11 He started clapping, laughing, and they
37:13 started whistling. I mean, it was just
37:16 like that. And the fact that there was
37:18 real competition, that there was, well,
37:23 Well, politics, let's say, also, because
37:25 the Latvian leadership was also somewhat
37:28 in opposition to the central government
37:32 Well, as it always happens, I mean...
37:36 >> some kind of competition.
37:38 >> Latvians cheered for CSKA when CSKA
37:41 played, say, against Dynamo St.
37:42 Petersburg or someone else.
37:45 Latvians cheered for CSKA, I know that
37:47 >> You see, sports is like that.
37:50 >> We are in sports.
37:51 Well, for example, there’s some kind of
37:53 competition. You still root for your
37:56 side. That doesn't mean we have to fight
38:00 We just watch the football.
38:02 I remember when I lived in Spain, they
38:04 were just crazy about football, right?
38:08 >> I know what you're talking about.
38:09 >> Yes. And for instance, in a bar, there
38:11 was a table of Englishmen, another table
38:16 It was a loud match, I remember, I don't
38:18 recall if it was the World Cup or the
38:20 European Championship.
38:23 But everyone was friendly, everyone
38:24 rooting for their side, and that's it.
38:27 Those who jumped up, they came with
38:29 their own, but, well, okay, Brazil is
38:32 playing Germany. Well, we're from Europe
38:34 , so we root for the Germans. We look
38:36 for those associations, but everyone is
38:38 friendly. Everyone is just friendly.
38:40 There are, of course, football hooligans
38:42 , how can football be without hooligans
38:44 That's something else entirely. But
38:46 mainly, there is no place for politics
38:48 there, and there shouldn't be. It’s all
38:50 not about war, no one is actually
38:53 fighting. Even though there is a
38:55 struggle, right? Well, they hit each
38:59 >> Well, if you recall the origins of the
39:01 Olympic movement, in Ancient Greece the
39:03 Olympics were a time when all actual
39:05 wars would cease, and representatives
39:07 from different city-states would come
39:09 and compete together in sports.
39:13 And it was truly a time that celebrated
39:16 human strength and agility.
39:19 Back then, everyone loved and adored
39:20 these athletes. But the core idea was
39:23 indeed that sports should unite and
39:27 We have already seen, during the 20th
39:29 century, during the revival of the
39:31 Olympic movement by Pierre de Coubertin
39:34 , that there were certain moments.
39:37 The Nazi Olympics in Hitler’s Germany,
39:40 Then the Soviet team's boycott of the
39:43 Los Angeles Olympics, and the American
39:45 team's boycott of the 1980 Moscow
39:49 But those were isolated incidents.
39:53 Yet, the Olympic movement itself
39:57 What we have seen in recent years, when
39:59 they began to ban athletes from our
40:02 countries, Russia and Belarus, from the
40:04 Olympic Games simply for political
40:06 reasons—not allowing them at all, or
40:09 allowing only individuals to participate
40:11 without a national flag.
40:15 And all this while, those famous doping
40:18 scandals were concocted out of thin air
40:22 And, for instance, they disqualified
40:24 Russian and Belarusian athletes—the
40:25 Belarusians for no apparent reason at
40:29 The Russians were banned because their
40:31 country allegedly started an aggressive
40:33 war against Ukraine. Yet no one expelled
40:35 Israeli athletes from the Olympic
40:37 movement for their aggressive war
40:39 against Palestine. But why?
40:41 >> Wait, and what about the Americans and
40:45 >> The Americans, yes, Iran and Venezuela.
40:48 What? How? Why did no one say anything?
40:52 Therefore, it is clear that this is all
40:54 double standards, and it is clear that
40:56 all these Olympic structures, which were
40:58 subservient to the West, have led to a
41:00 split in the global sports movement.
41:04 They forced us to hold the Eurasian
41:06 Games, they forced us to hold the CIS
41:09 Games, because our athletes need
41:11 somewhere to compete, to see each other
41:14 , and to showcase their achievements.
41:18 There you go. But in this case, we are
41:20 currently observing a situation where
41:25 many countries, including European ones
41:28 , as well as these global sports
41:29 organizations, have started to move away
41:32 from this rigid position.
41:35 But the Baltic states—not only are they
41:38 demonstrating this stubbornness, like
41:40 rams: meaning we won't play together, we
41:42 won't let them onto our territory, even
41:45 though we will lose because of it,
41:47 denying our own national teams points or
41:49 qualification and leaving them at the
41:51 very bottom of the table—but they, along
41:54 with some other European countries, are
41:56 once again demanding that sports
41:58 organizations impose strict sanctions,
42:01 bringing back harsh sanctions against
42:03 Belarus and Russia.
42:06 I mean, it just seems like such a
42:08 complete degradation today in the minds
42:10 of these people, the governments of
42:13 those countries, regarding their
42:15 understanding of what the global sports
42:18 movement is even about.
42:20 >> Well, let me remind you of the story
42:23 The European Hockey Championship was
42:26 taking place then, and one of the cities
42:30 where it was held was Riga.
42:33 The main competitions were held there.
42:38 And the athletes, including the
42:39 Belarusian national team, were staying
42:41 at the Hotel Latvija.
42:44 It’s right in the city center, and
42:46 across from it is a large square where
42:48 there were flagpoles with flags of all
42:50 the countries participating in the
42:55 Including the Belarusian one.
42:57 So, the current President of Latvia—he
43:00 was the Foreign Minister then—and the
43:02 Mayor of Riga staged a stunt.
43:06 They removed the state flag of Belarus
43:09 from the flagpole and hung up that BChB
43:14 >> After which we severed diplomatic
43:16 relations with them.
43:17 >> Well, there was another small
43:20 >> No, how—well, imagine, for this—this is
43:22 called the desecration of a sovereign
43:28 That is a criminal offense under the
43:31 >> You know, it’s already become normal now
43:33 . Recently, recently in Estonia—hold on
43:36 , recently in Estonia, a Ukrainian who
43:38 moved to Estonia was sentenced only to a
43:40 fine for wiping himself with an Estonian
43:42 flag in the bathroom.
43:45 >> He’s the master of his own house.
43:46 >> In Estonia, a runaway Ukrainian.
43:49 >> Regarding the flag, there was also a
43:51 story that one of our activists
43:54 was outraged and swapped that BChB flag
43:56 for the normal state flag of the
43:58 Republic of Belarus.
44:01 It hung for exactly 50 seconds before a
44:03 policeman came running and forced him to
44:09 And the most interesting thing is that
44:11 he timed it so the Belarusian team bus
44:12 was passing by the hotel at that very
44:16 But finding that real Belarusian flag
44:18 was a whole problem; it was hard to find
44:21 one in Latvia. I interviewed him, we
44:26 He even reached out to the Embassy of
44:27 the Republic of Belarus in Latvia at the
44:31 And they told him, "What, are we a shop
44:33 ?" Like, "Go, find it, buy it yourself.
44:36 And after that, news appeared that
44:39 Lukashenko absolutely tore into the
44:41 representative, the head consul of that
44:44 , yes, institution at the time—I
44:47 wouldn't call it anything else.
44:51 Well, heads were rolling, so to speak.
44:54 >> Well, if you look at where major
44:56 Lithuanian sports were born, for
45:02 The rivalry between CSKA Moscow and
45:05 Žalgiris went far beyond just Lithuanian
45:09 sports. Lithuanian sports simply grew up
45:11 on that. And if we even take
45:15 hockey, I even have a specific example.
45:19 I am from the city of Elektrėnai, where
45:22 the Lithuanian national hockey team
45:24 always was. Yes, the entire national
45:27 team was in Elektrėnai. Because there is
45:29 a large ice rink there, built back in
45:31 the Soviet era, yes.
45:33 Yes, and since Soviet times, we happened
45:35 to have that strong team left there.
45:38 And so, I actually went to school with
45:40 Darius Kasparaitis, he's an NHL star.
45:43 He was recognized as the best defenseman
45:45 in the entire NHL. Darius Kasparaitis, a
45:48 Lithuanian. He was one grade ahead of me
45:51 I was little back then too, and I also
45:53 went to hockey practice there.
45:55 Probably all the boys at that time,
45:57 there wasn't a single boy who didn't go
46:01 Kasparaitis was involved, well, he went
46:04 to hockey, to training sessions all the
46:08 And then, the CSKA coach arrived, what
46:10 was his name, Tikhonov, Tikhonov, what
46:14 Tikhonovsky, I think.
46:17 >> Tikhonov, Tikhonov.
46:23 >> That’s the hockey coach, Nadya, it’s
46:25 Tikhonov for hockey.
46:27 This CSKA coach arrived, and he was just
46:29 sitting there, watching the training;
46:32 they were preparing for some kind of
46:36 And he looked at Kasparaitis, he watched
46:38 Kasparaitis and said, "I'm taking this
46:41 one with me to Moscow."
46:43 Yes, well, he liked him for some reason
46:45 , and he said that he was taking him
46:47 with him to Moscow. So what then? How
46:50 did he become a star? He went to live in
46:52 Moscow, played for CSKA, and went to
46:58 And then he made it to the NHL and
46:59 became the best defenseman in the NHL.
47:02 But again, it just goes to show, an
47:04 ordinary guy from a small town.
47:07 >> Yes, and the USA bought him out.
47:09 >> This shows exactly where big-time sports
47:11 in Lithuania came from in the first
47:13 >> By the way, in Riga, the place where I
47:16 lived nearby, there was a sports cafe,
47:21 where they watch different matches on TV
47:25 over a beer, and on the wall hangs
47:28 Kasparaitis 'hockey jersey.
47:32 And there's a signature, Kasparaitis.
47:35 So I asked the cafe owner, or rather,
47:37 not the owner, but the cafe worker, "
47:39 What does Kasparaitis have to do with
47:42 She said, "Well, the cafe belongs to him
47:49 >> Well, so that we can end not on the
47:51 topic of sports, but on the general
47:53 theme of Russophobia, yes, Russophobia
47:56 is taking on very bizarre forms in the
48:01 In Latvia, in Riga, they decided to ban
48:08 by such artists as Haddaway, Dr. Alban,
48:12 and La Bouche, who for some reason in
48:15 Latvia were considered
48:21 a problem for national security, because
48:23 they performed in Russia and are
48:26 connected to the Russian concert
48:29 >> I’ll tell you more, they were in Belarus
48:32 >> Yes, and that’s why they decided to
48:35 strike them from the list for the big,
48:38 grand concert that was scheduled for
48:41 November 20th, a 90s disco show, yes.
48:46 So, okay, you’re not letting in Russian
48:49 artists, or Belarusian artists, sure.
48:53 But to stop letting in foreign artists—
48:55 actual foreigners—to stop black artists
48:57 from entering Latvia because of ties to
48:59 Russia. That, forgive me, is just, well
49:02 , some kind of insanity.
49:03 >> identity. They have Laima, who is
49:06 world-famous across the courtyard, so to
49:09 speak, for that one good song.
49:11 >> let me comment on this news. When this
49:13 news about Latvia came out
49:14 >> Yes, it was funny.
49:16 >> the very next day the same thing was
49:20 >> Are you serious? How could that be?
49:22 >> Literally the next day.
49:24 So, this news came out, the one you,
49:27 Alexei Viktorovich, just voiced.
49:31 >> That’s what I’m thinking, too.
49:32 And what was it that Lavrov recently
49:34 said, I believe, about knowing where the
49:36 decision-making center is?
49:38 So, it must be somewhere in Latvia, in
49:44 Because those people of ours, it turned
49:47 out, probably missed it, somehow didn't
49:49 notice. It all came out in Latvia, and
49:51 they looked and thought, "Wait, we have
49:53 >> Yes, the Entente, look at that.
49:56 They gave permission for the whole
49:58 concert at first, and then discovered
50:00 that three out of four performers slated
50:03 to participate were linked to the
50:07 And they didn't know before that, right
50:10 , that Dr. Alban—how many of those 90s
50:13 discos has he toured, I don’t know. Well
50:16 , he toured so many in Belarus back in
50:22 Exactly. Well, that is just
50:24 >> This is already a situation that is,
50:26 well, simply senile. And even more,
50:29 since we’re ending our broadcast with
50:31 cultural issues, I was even more amused
50:33 by another piece of news.
50:36 There are artists who are brought in,
50:38 who are allowed in, but who can't draw
50:42 Makarevich came with his once-popular
50:45 band Mashina Vremeni, right? He also
50:48 arrived in Latvia. The concert was on
50:53 Well, since something arrived from
50:55 Ukraine that day and exploded in
50:56 Lithuania, and everything was blocked in
50:59 Latvia, including the Riga airport being
51:01 shut down, the concert was delayed by an
51:06 So, of those who did make it, part of
51:08 the audience couldn't handle it and just
51:10 left. Well, apparently Makarevich isn't
51:11 such a master that people would sit and
51:13 wait for him for an extra hour and a
51:15 In short, they aimed for a stadium,
51:18 13,500 people, couldn't even sell half,
51:21 and the concert atmosphere was described
51:25 with a nice word— "rotten."
51:29 And Makarevich himself was addressing
51:31 empty stands, trying to cheer the people
51:35 >> It was probably like this: "You are the
51:38 >> I should remind you that he is a foreign
51:42 A man who made such wonderful programs,
51:44 actually, I really liked watching Smak,
51:46 it was so cozy and family-oriented.
51:50 And to just repay his own country with
51:56 >> The man was cherished in every way
51:57 during the Soviet Union.
52:00 Although he calls himself a dissident,
52:02 they all fought against the Soviet
52:03 regime there, yet they had everything.
52:07 Concerts, stadiums, records, they held
52:09 underground concerts, and nobody dragged
52:13 He made huge amounts of money, yes, huge
52:16 popularity. Right. Then, indeed, in the
52:20 new Russia, after the collapse of the
52:22 Soviet Union, he also found his place,
52:26 A great showman, yes, a very famous
52:28 group and a show on television, and
52:31 >> did he return the blood money?
52:34 >> So, the most important thing is that he
52:36 then got offended, he got offended that
52:38 Russia started the Special Military
52:40 Operation, left Russia, did not accept
52:42 the war, went around shouting "No to war
52:45 Yes, but he has been doing it since
52:48 He condemned it since fourteen, went
52:51 around when the situation in Donbas
52:53 started. But he arrived in Israel,
52:55 renounced his Russian citizenship, and
52:57 everything is fine in Israel.
53:00 That is, the policy that Israel is
53:01 pursuing is quite normal, and the "No to
53:03 war" thing doesn't bother him there.
53:05 Well, and here is the result. And who is
53:07 his audience? I mean, who listens to him
53:09 now in principle, yes?
53:11 >> So they are traveling now. I also heard
53:13 about another fugitive, whose songs the
53:15 whole country used to sing in karaoke,
53:18 Valery Meladze. He also has concerts
53:20 somewhere there, in Dubai, Paris,
53:23 whatever, anything but Russia.
53:25 Well, where will you gather the same
53:27 kind of emigrants there, who also left
53:28 with nostalgia for their homeland?
53:30 >> Fugitive foreign agents.
53:32 >> are you interesting to them in the West
53:36 Laima Vaikule was putting on her concert
53:38 , couldn't get people together, yes,
53:39 they canceled the last one.
53:43 >> what an interesting coincidence happened
53:45 with one group. I don't remember their
53:47 name, they are very popular, an
53:49 Ukrainian group. They were also
53:50 cherished in Russia and so on.
53:53 When the Special Military Operation
53:55 began, they had a big tour across Europe
53:57 planned in advance.
54:00 And, of course, at that moment, they
54:01 didn't want to lose money. And they
54:03 immediately harshly condemned Russia,
54:05 they were afraid that they would, well,
54:07 even have those concerts canceled. They
54:09 were, naturally, welcomed, allowed to
54:10 dance there, sing their little songs.
54:13 But as soon as it all ended, they have
54:15 no more money, and no income from
54:20 And they suddenly started to see the
54:22 light and began to admit that one can
54:23 speak Russian, and in general, they want
54:25 to return to Russia.
54:28 >> Nastya, yes, yes, that is exactly who we
54:29 are talking about, yes.
54:31 I just, I, I haven't even seen such
54:33 >> TikTok's main Cerberus has become Mit,
54:35 that's ByteDance, right?
54:41 Anyway, my friends, you must love your
54:42 homeland, you must not renounce your
54:47 >> The Soviet Union, so one can simply
54:49 label us as traitors, but we are not
54:52 >> my homeland, yes, where is my homeland.
54:55 So. Well, the homeland, generally
54:57 speaking, is where a normal, adequate,
54:59 sane policy is conducted.
55:01 Uh, so, where they don't try to pit
55:03 people against each other, but on the
55:04 contrary, speak about the need for
55:06 friendship, peace, and good
55:07 neighborliness, which, for example, the
55:08 Republic of Belarus is doing.
55:12 Dear viewers, dear listeners, today's
55:14 broadcast on Baltic Wave is coming to an
55:17 We wish you all the best, we wish you
55:19 not to lose your homeland, we wish you
55:21 not to lose your memories, no matter
55:24 what political upheavals may occur, but
55:26 a person must always understand and feel
55:28 their belonging to something great. We
55:31 had a great country, the Soviet Union,
55:33 we all come from it, at least those of
55:36 us in this studio. We all cherish a
55:38 piece of that Soviet childhood. So, we
55:41 cannot now divide it into Russia,
55:44 Belarus, Latvia, Ukraine, Lithuania. For
55:47 us, it is still all one big home.
55:50 We care about it, and we really want us
55:52 all to continue living in this home in
55:55 And we wish for you to also live in
55:57 peace. And that's all for now, friends.