0:00 In today’s episode: an explosion in
0:02 Moscow. According to Russian media
0:04 reports, former press secretary for
0:06 Azarov, Sergey Zavorotny, has been
0:07 seriously wounded. He took a wrong turn
0:09 . Recall that just yesterday a car
0:11 exploded in St. Petersburg, where a
0:13 Russian colonel may have been killed.
0:15 The deep rear no longer guarantees
0:17 safety. Volgograd oil refineries under
0:21 Reports are coming in that all four
0:23 primary processing units at the
0:25 refueling site have been hit.
0:28 Denis Popovich explains how attacks on
0:30 oil refining strike at the financing of
0:32 the war. In Rostov, according to the
0:34 Navy, Ukrainian Neptunes hit a drone
0:37 production facility, warehouse, and
0:39 service center. We will also show an FPV
0:41 strike on a bridge across the Mius River
0:43 . The Kremlin declares Kostiantynivka
0:45 its own and proposes a humanitarian
0:48 mission. DeepState refutes this; the AFU
0:50 holds the city, and fighting continues.
0:53 Meanwhile, in the Kherson direction,
0:55 according to a serviceman known as Alex
0:57 , Russia is amassing forces to intensify
1:00 hostilities. Kushner and Witkow meet
1:02 with Zelensky after their Moscow visit.
1:04 An agreement on the largest mutual
1:06 prisoner exchange and European
1:08 participation in negotiations has been
1:10 announced, but Bild has published one of
1:13 the Russian "wish-list" plans being
1:15 discussed: the entire Donbas,
1:16 restrictions on Ukrainian ports, and
1:19 Finland's withdrawal from NATO. Kaja
1:21 Kallas warns of a Kremlin trap. Vadym
1:24 Denysenko on the bargaining over
1:25 sanctions and the risks of splitting
1:27 allies. 39 countries sign a declaration
1:30 on European security.
1:33 Now Europe must defend its principles
1:35 against those demanding a return to
1:37 spheres of influence.
1:38 We will show and tell you the main news
1:40 of the day here and now. This is the
1:42 program "20 Minutes, Plus or Minus." I
1:44 am Iryna Uzlova. There is no safe harbor
1:47 left anywhere. Clearing devils out of
1:51 It was in this small Moscow district in
1:53 the south of the city, and on a street
1:56 with the colorful name Kirovogradskaya,
1:58 that a car went to hell.
2:00 A bomb exploded right while the Toyota
2:02 Fortuner SUV was in motion, in which,
2:05 according to Russian media, former press
2:07 secretary for Mykola Azarov, Sergey
2:09 Zavorotny, was traveling. The "
2:11 blood-sucker" isn't what he used to be.
2:13 The man who explained to the public how
2:15 Russia lost Ukraine has ended up a
2:17 protagonist in Russian crime reports.
2:19 According to the Telegram channels Mash
2:21 , Shot, and Astra, the 72-year-old
2:23 Zavorotny was behind the wheel of the
2:25 Toyota Fortuner. The car managed to
2:28 drive about 200 meters after leaving the
2:30 courtyard, then the explosion.
2:32 Mash claims the device was attached
2:34 under the chassis on the driver’s side
2:36 and went off while the vehicle was
2:39 According to Russian sources, the man
2:41 survived and managed to get out of the
2:43 SUV on his own, but his injuries are
2:45 horrific. Witnesses called an ambulance
2:47 . The "Cargo 300" has wounds to his back
2:50 , chest, and legs. His condition is
2:52 assessed as critical. Later, information
2:54 appeared in public forums suggesting
2:56 that a gas cylinder might have exploded
2:58 in the car. But it doesn't matter what
3:00 caused it; what matters is who was hit
3:02 by this accidental or intentional—but in
3:04 any case just—strike of divine
3:06 retribution. Zavorotny is a self-styled
3:08 international journalist, publicist, and
3:10 candidate of historical sciences. In the
3:12 2000s, he worked in the Russian State
3:14 Duma; specifically, he headed the press
3:17 service for the Rodina faction, and
3:19 later became the press secretary for
3:20 Mykola "Krovosisi" Azarov, who led the
3:23 Ukrainian government under Viktor
3:24 Yanukovych. He is also a co-author of
3:27 the book "Yanukovych Sold Out, Gas
3:29 Accepted: How Russia Lost Ukraine." It
3:31 covers Yanukovych’s political career and
3:33 working as an advisor to Azarov.
3:35 According to Mash, Zavorotny currently
3:37 holds the position of director of the
3:39 Information Technology Center at the
3:41 Primorsky State Agrarian-Technological
3:43 University. But it turned out to be an
3:45 illusion. They are all intelligence
3:47 agents there. Zavorotny is an officer of
3:49 the Foreign Intelligence Service of the
3:51 Russian Federation. This was mentioned
3:53 in the US Senate Intelligence Committee
3:55 report on Russian interference in the
3:58 2016 American elections. They drew
4:00 attention to an important story.
4:01 Specifically, the document indicated
4:03 that Zavorotny served in military unit
4:06 number 33949, which is affiliated with
4:08 the SVR. Russian media report that a
4:10 criminal case has been opened. However,
4:12 there are no real official details about
4:13 the circumstances of the explosion or
4:15 the condition of the victim. And this is
4:17 already the second such episode in just
4:18 two days. As I told you in our previous
4:20 episode just yesterday—the link is below
4:22 this video—a car exploded in the
4:24 Slavyanka district of Saint Petersburg
4:26 in the morning. Also quite symbolic.
4:29 According to media reports, Colonel
4:31 Andrei Khodykin, Deputy Commander of the
4:33 6th Air Force and Air Defense Army of
4:36 Russia for military-political work, may
4:40 Moscow no longer guarantees a quiet life
4:42 , even for those who long ago moved
4:44 under the protection of the Kremlin, as
4:46 they thought. This is how political
4:48 analyst Taras Zagorodny assesses the car
4:51 bombing that turned former Azarov press
4:53 secretary Sergey Zavorotny into a "
4:55 cargo 300" casualty. He views what
4:56 happened as an element of cognitive
5:00 A strike on the propaganda environment,
5:02 designed to demoralize the enemy and
5:04 influence the information field.
5:06 Zagorodny also sees symbolism in the
5:08 event: a prominent figure in the
5:09 pro-Russian environment, Moscow, and the
5:12 explosion occurring specifically on
5:14 Kirovogradskaya Street. In his words,
5:16 you can feel a distinctly Ukrainian
5:18 sense of humor here. However, this is
5:19 the assessment of a political analyst,
5:21 not confirmed information regarding the
5:23 organizers of the blast. In Zagorodny's
5:25 opinion, Moscow's size makes it easier
5:27 to disappear, but it no longer provides
5:30 a safe haven in the deep rear.
5:32 He also asserts that the Ukrainian side
5:34 strives to conduct such operations with
5:36 a minimum number of collateral
5:39 The main signal for collaborators, the
5:42 analyst believes, is that they will not
5:44 be able to hide from responsibility, and
5:46 such events, he predicts, will continue
5:50 >> I believe this story fits into the logic
5:52 of cognitive warfare, where information
5:54 drops are used to demoralize the enemy.
5:57 But in the car explosion of Sergey
5:59 Zavorotny, the former press secretary of
6:01 Mykola Azarov, one can also sense a
6:03 peculiar Ukrainian sense of humor. It
6:05 seems the organizers showed some
6:07 ingenuity. It is also noteworthy that
6:09 such an operation took place in Moscow,
6:11 a city where the Russian authorities are
6:13 used to feeling safe. At the same time,
6:15 no one intends to stage a mass terrorist
6:18 attack just to eliminate one person. It
6:20 is important that innocent people do not
6:22 get hurt. Obviously, Zavorotny and his
6:24 circle expected that he had already been
6:26 forgotten and that nothing threatened
6:27 him. But, as this story shows, they were
6:31 >> Dozens of Russian regions have nowhere
6:33 to hide or run from our Ukrainian drones
6:36 1,198 Ukrainian UAVs were allegedly
6:39 intercepted and destroyed by the Russian
6:41 Ministry of Defense—and that’s in just
6:44 12 hours, from 8:00 PM on November 12th
6:47 to 8:00 AM on the 13th, Moscow time. The
6:49 geography of the Ministry of Defense's
6:51 report is devastatingly vast. Astrakhan
6:54 , Belgorod, Bryansk, Vladimir, Volgograd
6:56 , Voronezh, Kaluga, Kursk, Lipetsk,
6:59 Oryol, Rostov, Ryazan, Saratov, Smolensk
7:01 , Tver, and Tula regions, plus the
7:04 Moscow region, temporarily occupied
7:06 Crimea, and the Black Sea waters. Minus
7:09 the factories and warehouses; even
7:11 though the report traditionally claims
7:13 everything was intercepted and destroyed
7:15 , the consequences at the oil refineries
7:17 cannot be undone by such wording. Friday
7:20 the 13th truly brought a hellish fire to
7:22 the Volgograd oil refinery belonging to
7:25 Lukoil-Volgogradneftepererabotka. It is
7:27 one of the largest refineries in
7:29 southern Russia and a key asset for
7:31 Lukoil in the Volgograd region.
7:32 According to initial assessments by
7:35 geospatial and satellite intelligence
7:37 analysts at Dneprazot and Sincorbus, at
7:40 least two primary oil refining units,
7:42 AVT-1 and AVT-6, were hit. Together,
7:45 they provide about 70%of the facility's
7:47 primary processing capacity.
7:50 Preliminary reports also mentioned
7:52 damage to the tank farm.
7:54 Later, information emerged that all four
7:56 AVT units, as well as secondary
7:58 processing and storage facilities, had
8:01 been hit. The scale of the plant is
8:03 impressive—or was impressive. The
8:05 primary processing capacity of this
8:07 refinery is about 15.7 million tons of
8:09 oil per year. The facility processes
8:12 low-sulfur West Siberian and Lower Volga
8:14 oil, which arrives via the
8:16 Samara-Tikhoretsk pipeline.
8:18 The shipment has set off. Finished
8:21 products are dispatched by rail, road,
8:23 and river. We are talking about a major
8:26 enterprise with an extensive supply
8:27 chain. If the reports of all four units
8:30 being hit are confirmed, the
8:31 consequences for its operations will be
8:33 far more serious than the typical
8:35 Russian "falling debris." Meanwhile,
8:37 Russian motorists are not enjoying the
8:39 atmosphere and have a grim assessment of
8:41 what is happening. Without even needing
8:43 satellite imagery or the Ministry of
8:45 Defense’s victory reports, queues are
8:47 forming at gas stations across the
8:49 Volgograd region. The gasoline fever has
8:51 even reached Astrakhan. That’s how
8:53 things go in a prison-country.
8:55 The TV says everything is under control
8:57 , but drivers prefer to line up at the
9:01 >> So, what's going on there? The news says
9:04 Volgograd was bombed again. Svetly Yar,
9:06 or even Cherny Yar, Raygorod. So, I
9:08 think there are going to be problems
9:10 with gasoline again soon.
9:12 Queues will start, get ready. That’s it
9:15 Please. I just thought about it, and I
9:18 said to myself, I’d better stop at a gas
9:21 Guys, I arrived at a Lukoil gas station
9:24 on the Airport highway, and I realized
9:26 that quite a few cars had pulled up.
9:29 A small line is forming. News came out
9:32 that the Volgograd refinery had been
9:35 And so, it seems to me, a bit of a rush
9:38 has started among the cars here.
9:41 But don't you worry, everything is fine
9:43 , everything will be okay.
9:45 Just a little, just a few more cars than
9:49 >> Damn, why does it have to be like this
9:51 again right when I need to fill up?
9:54 I just pulled in off the road.
9:57 There were about eight cars ahead of me
10:00 I've been driving for two weeks without
10:02 worrying, like everything was back to
10:04 normal, and now this again. That’s why I
10:06 left early today to get gas. So,
10:08 Volgograd, hang in there.
10:11 Some third, fifth, tenth wave again.
10:13 I've lost count already.
10:15 >> There's nothing left to hold onto.
10:17 Strikes on Russian oil refining are
10:19 becoming increasingly systematic and
10:21 precise. Military observer Denis
10:23 Popovich points this out.
10:25 During the attack on Lukoil's Volgograd
10:27 refinery, several parts of the plant
10:30 were hit at once, meaning restoration
10:32 will be harder and longer.
10:35 Less fuel produced, lower tax revenues,
10:37 less money for the Kremlin to pay for
10:40 However, don't expect an immediate
10:42 effect on the front lines. The Russian
10:44 army has fuel reserves, Popovich
10:46 stresses, but the pressure on the
10:48 economy is building.
10:51 Russia has to spend budget funds on
10:53 expensive fuel imports—money that could
10:55 otherwise go to the defense industry.
10:59 While propaganda reports about repelled
11:01 attacks, the budget has to pay for the
11:05 >> I believe that launching nearly 1,200
11:07 Ukrainian drones into Russian territory
11:09 in one night is an unprecedentedly
11:11 large-scale attack. It is important to
11:13 consider Russia's vast territory. Drones
11:16 are headed to different regions, so
11:18 their impact is dispersed.
11:20 The Volgograd refinery stands out, as it
11:22 has been attacked for the third time
11:24 this year. This indicates the systematic
11:26 nature of Ukrainian strikes and their
11:28 changing quality. Now, multiple sections
11:31 of a facility are hit in a single attack
11:33 , significantly increasing damage and
11:35 delaying recovery times. As a result,
11:38 Russia produces less fuel and loses tax
11:40 revenue and the ability to fund the war
11:43 . The effect on the front is not
11:44 immediate, as the Russian army has
11:46 reserves, and Russia is already forced
11:49 to increase fuel imports. It creates a
11:51 paradoxical situation.
11:53 A country that is a major oil producer
11:55 itself is forced to buy fuel abroad,
11:57 spending budget funds that could have
12:02 >> And in Rostov, they were met by Neptunes
12:05 The Ukrainian Navy reported strikes on
12:07 three facilities linked to the
12:09 production, storage, and maintenance of
12:11 Russian drones. Every night, these
12:13 drones are sent to Ukrainian cities,
12:15 military positions, and energy
12:17 infrastructure. Some are manufactured,
12:19 stored, and repaired right in Rostov. On
12:21 the night of November 13, the response
12:23 arrived: Neptune coastal missile system
12:25 rockets from the Ukrainian Navy. The
12:27 strikes hit the production site for
12:29 tactical strike drones, IONAS LLC, a
12:32 storage site for the same company, and a
12:34 third target—the service center for
12:36 Aerohit LLC, where drones are repaired
12:39 and serviced for the Russian army.
12:41 Aerohit produces Veles strike and
12:43 reconnaissance FPV drones. The
12:45 production itself is in Khabarovsk,
12:47 while the service center is in
12:48 Rostov-on-Don. The strike hit several
12:50 links at once: manufacturing, stockpiles
12:53 , and repairs. The Navy report describes
12:55 the result as follows: some drones will
12:57 not be produced, some burned in the
12:59 warehouse, and the damaged units will
13:01 not be able to return to the front for a
13:03 long time. The Defense Forces emphasize
13:05 that Ukraine is exercising its right to
13:08 self-defense, as provided for in Article
13:10 51 of the UN Charter, and continues to
13:12 undermine the enemy's military-economic
13:14 potential to force Russia to end its
13:16 aggression. To be continued for Russian
13:18 drone manufacturers, and not only them—
13:20 this is a very specific announcement.
13:23 The other day, Rostov air defense also
13:25 tried to shoot down a Ukrainian FPV-2
13:27 drone attacking a bridge across the Mius
13:30 River with profanities, but it did no
13:32 good. This is how the bridge across the
13:34 Mius River in the Neklinovsky District
13:36 of the Rostov Region, still part of the
13:38 Russian Federation, exploded after the
13:40 strike. The bridge is located at the
13:42 ninety-seventh kilometer of the R-280
13:44 Novorossiya highway, which connects
13:46 Rostov-on-Don with the temporarily
13:48 occupied Ukrainian cities of Mariupol,
13:50 Berdyansk, Melitopol, and Simferopol.
13:52 The recording captures the sound of the
13:54 UAV in flight and the operation of
13:55 Russian air defenses. However, the
13:57 operator manages to guide the drone
13:59 exactly to the target. The published
14:00 video likely shows fragments of the
14:02 drone attack on the bridge, which was
14:04 successfully carried out on November 8
14:06 of this year. And while the Russian army
14:08 destroys Ukrainian cities, Russian
14:10 genociders, the world's number one
14:12 terrorist, is once again trying on the
14:14 role of a humanitarian organization. Now
14:17 in Kostiantynivka. Putin's mouthpiece
14:19 Dima Peskov claimed that the Russian
14:21 military allegedly controls the city and
14:23 is ready to clear it of mines in 5 days
14:25 . According to Peskov, Moscow expects to
14:27 conduct a humanitarian mission under the
14:29 leadership of both countries 'ombudsmen
14:31 and under media observation. He also
14:33 claims that the U.S. is sincerely
14:35 interested in such an operation and
14:37 urges Europeans and Americans to use
14:39 their influence on Kyiv.
14:41 The twisted Kremlin logic deserves
14:43 separate attention.
14:45 Peskov claims that if Ukraine warns that
14:47 Russia might use the mission for a troop
14:49 rotation, then Kyiv is supposedly
14:51 acknowledging Russian control over the
14:53 city. That is, he is trying to pass off
14:56 a warning about a possible military ruse
14:58 as an admission of a Russian military
15:00 success that does not exist. First,
15:02 falsely declare the city as your own,
15:04 then offer to clear it of mines, and
15:06 present Ukraine's disagreement as an
15:08 obstacle to humanitarian aid.
15:11 >> Well, indeed, a very important
15:13 humanitarian initiative was voiced
15:15 yesterday in the public part of Putin's
15:17 meeting with American guests.
15:26 This initiative concerns continuing the
15:28 experience gained in Oleshky, aimed at
15:30 giving 400 or 500 civilians who are
15:32 still in Kostiantynivka the opportunity
15:35 to leave that settlement and,
15:37 essentially, go wherever they want.
15:46 If someone wants to leave towards
15:48 Ukraine, someone towards Russia.
15:52 For this, an opportunity must be given
15:54 to clear all access roads in order to
16:02 We are calling on both the Americans and
16:04 Europeans, if they are sincere in their
16:07 claims of seeking peace, to use their
16:09 influence to sway the Ukrainians and
16:11 encourage them to carry out this
16:13 humanitarian operation in Kostiantynivka
16:18 >> Putin voiced the idea himself on
16:20 November 12 during a meeting with the
16:22 U.S. presidential special envoy. The
16:24 Russian dictator proposed organizing a
16:25 humanitarian mission in Kostiantynivka
16:27 modeled after the one that took place in
16:29 Oleshky, Kherson region. These inhuman
16:31 monsters create humanitarian
16:33 catastrophes, and now he offers to
16:34 discuss how he will save people from
16:36 them. And he does so based on his own
16:38 claim of control over the city, which
16:40 simply does not exist. In fact, there is
16:42 neither control nor a city left, thanks
16:44 to Putin’s "liberation" efforts.
16:45 >> Representatives of the foreign press,
16:47 including American media, as well as
16:49 Russian media outlets.
16:53 Uh, let's assign this to, uh, people who
16:56 deal with human rights on both sides.
17:00 Human rights commissioners. If, as the
17:02 Ukrainian authorities claim, they do not
17:05 control this city, then let them ensure
17:09 In my view, uh, this settlement is
17:11 controlled by Russian troops.
17:14 We will ensure security from our side.
17:17 >> Meanwhile, the Office of the President
17:19 of Ukraine has warned of a potential
17:20 military motive behind such initiatives
17:22 . The Russians could use the proposal
17:24 for a mission in Kostiantynivka to
17:25 rotate their military personnel, just as
17:27 they did in Oleshky. By the way, in the
17:28 Kherson direction, Russian forces
17:30 continue to amass troops and accumulate
17:32 resources to intensify combat operations
17:34 , reports a senior lieutenant of the
17:35 Armed Forces of Ukraine with the call
17:37 sign "Alex." According to his data, they
17:39 are moving both elite units and recently
17:41 mobilized soldiers there who haven't
17:43 even had time to complete proper
17:44 training or integration. It is these
17:46 latest recruits who will be the first to
17:48 go into battle, paving the way for the
17:50 elite, literally paving it with their
17:52 own bodies. Active movement of Russian
17:54 artillery firing positions and drone
17:56 operator positions is also being
17:59 This expands the enemy's capability to
18:01 strike the right-bank Kherson region,
18:04 primarily Kherson itself and its
18:06 approaches. Alex emphasizes that this
18:08 development, of course, did not come as
18:10 a surprise. Such a turn of events was
18:12 foreseeable and could be read even
18:13 before the start of the truce. While
18:15 there was talk of a pause in hostilities
18:17 , the threat of a new escalation never
18:19 disappeared. But the withered Putin can
18:22 hide his wet fantasies and ideas in his
18:24 briefcase. According to DeepState,
18:26 Kostiantynivka remains under the control
18:28 of the Armed Forces of Ukraine. The
18:30 situation is indeed extremely difficult
18:32 , and active fighting is ongoing, but
18:34 analysts dismiss the Kremlin’s claims of
18:36 Russian control as false. The enemy is
18:38 attempting to infiltrate the city and
18:40 build up forces for its capture. But
18:43 Ukrainian soldiers are repelling these
18:45 attempts and doing everything to hold
18:46 the settlement. At the same time,
18:48 Russian units are trying to bypass
18:50 Kostiantynivka and surround the
18:51 Ukrainian group stationed there. Defense
18:53 forces are countering these actions as
18:55 well. DeepState emphasizes that the best
18:58 humanitarian mission Russia could carry
19:00 out in Kostiantynivka is to stop the
19:02 assaults and shelling, and to halt the
19:04 destruction of a city that the Russian
19:06 army cannot capture. Instead, Putin is
19:09 offering an initiative that analysts say
19:11 could give him an advantage on the
19:14 They call it hypocrisy and warn that
19:16 agreeing to such terms is not an option
19:18 . The battle for Kostiantynivka
19:20 continues, and statements from the
19:21 Kremlin will not determine its outcome.
19:23 For these hollow victories, Putin is
19:25 paying an unreal price. Avdiivka,
19:27 Pokrovsk, Bakhmut—nearly 40%of all
19:30 Russian military deaths in the war
19:32 against Ukraine. This share is cited in
19:36 Behind Putin's stories of progress lie
19:38 tens of thousands of people sent to die
19:41 for mere inches of Ukrainian land.
19:43 In the areas of Avdiivka and Pokrovsk,
19:46 according to this data, over 120,500
19:48 deaths have been recorded.
19:51 That is more than double the US losses
19:53 in 8 years of the Vietnam War and eight
19:55 times the Soviet losses in 10 years of
19:57 war in Afghanistan. The report states
20:00 that Russian troops captured Avdiivka in
20:03 February 2024 and Pokrovsk in February
20:05 2026. The battles for these cities
20:07 became some of the bloodiest of the
20:09 entire war. Another 48,000 or so
20:10 perished near Bakhmut. It was there, I
20:13 remind you, that the Russian army and
20:15 Yevgeny Prigozhin’s Wagner PMC, having
20:16 replenished their ranks with prisoners,
20:18 made relentless attacks with huge losses
20:20 the foundation of their tactics. Men
20:22 were sent in waves, blunt and mindless,
20:24 and while propaganda touted military
20:26 successes, the cost of these assaults
20:28 grew by thousands of lives. Meanwhile,
20:30 the peace tracks and incredible efforts
20:32 of Donald Trump are spinning their empty
20:34 wheels. The day before in Dublin,
20:36 Vladimir Zelensky concluded talks with
20:38 Steven Witkoff and Jared Kushner, who
20:40 flew to the Ukrainian president from the
20:42 Russian dictator. After the meeting, the
20:44 parties spoke to the press. Among the
20:46 stated results is an agreement on a
20:47 mutual exchange of prisoners of war and
20:49 Europe's participation in the further
20:51 negotiation process. Kushner announced
20:53 that the agreement on prisoner releases
20:55 had been finalized. Zelensky called the
20:58 upcoming mutual release the largest yet
21:00 and emphasized that returning Ukrainian
21:02 soldiers home is a real result of the
21:04 negotiators' work. The President of
21:06 Ukraine also stated that the meetings in
21:08 Abu Dhabi brought progress and hope for
21:09 ending the war. Next, the teams will
21:11 work on de-escalation and a ceasefire. A
21:13 separate emphasis—Europe. According to
21:16 Zelensky, Ukraine spent two years
21:17 pushing for Europeans to be at the
21:19 negotiating table. Kushner, in turn,
21:21 admitted that without them, no agreement
21:23 is possible. He believes they managed to
21:25 reach an understanding with Putin, and
21:26 that he is willing to try. It sounds
21:28 remarkable, of course. The question of
21:30 Europe participating in discussions
21:32 about its own security is again
21:34 presented as Putin's willingness to
21:35 allow it, by the grace of the sovereign
21:37 . Kushner also spoke about the joint
21:39 work of Zelensky and his team on a
21:41 post-war development plan for Ukraine.
21:43 He called the country's potential and
21:45 his plans incredible, and said issues of
21:47 post-war security for Ukraine and all of
21:49 Europe are being discussed with General
21:51 Cavoli, Supreme Allied Commander Europe
21:53 . The American negotiator reported
21:55 significant progress and expressed hope
21:57 for further advancement. Steve Witkoff
21:59 added that Donald Trump intends to lead
22:01 the efforts to end the war. God forbid.
22:04 That is the exact task he gave to him
22:06 and Kushner. The parties are planning
22:08 another meeting, but behind the
22:09 diplomatic optimism remains the main
22:11 question: what demands does Russia bring
22:13 to all these tables? Unrealistic and
22:16 pipe-dream ones: to take the entire
22:18 Donbas, limit the Ukrainian army, remove
22:21 NATO bases from the Baltic states, and
22:23 more, and more. Wait, no. To secure
22:26 Finland's withdrawal from the alliance.
22:28 Such is the set of requirements and
22:30 wishful thinking, according to BILD,
22:31 contained in one of the Russian plans
22:33 discussed in unofficial negotiation
22:35 circles. An important disclaimer from
22:37 the publication itself: this is only one
22:39 of the variants. Whether Putin
22:41 personally supported it is unknown.
22:42 Several groups of intermediaries,
22:44 including those linked to the military,
22:46 are working in parallel, and these
22:47 groups are competing with each other.
22:49 However, the content of these proposals
22:51 is quite telling. Moscow wants to keep
22:53 all occupied Ukrainian territories and
22:55 additionally gain the entire Donbas,
22:56 including parts of the Donetsk and
22:58 Luhansk regions that Ukraine has
23:00 controlled for years. Furthermore, no
23:02 NATO, a non-aligned status for Ukraine,
23:04 a refusal to join the alliance,
23:06 membership in the European Union. At the
23:08 same time, thank God, it is not excluded
23:10 . The ports of Odesa and Mykolaiv are
23:12 proposed to be demilitarized so that
23:14 Ukraine cannot use them as naval bases.
23:16 Agreements on freedom of navigation in
23:18 the Black and Baltic Seas are also
23:20 assumed. But Russian desires, of course
23:22 , do not end at the Ukrainian borders.
23:25 BILD writes about demands for a new
23:26 European security order, which,
23:28 according to the publication, were also
23:30 presented to European participants in
23:32 the Abu Dhabi talks. Russia wants NATO
23:34 to renounce the deployment of military
23:37 bases in Estonia, Latvia, and Lithuania
23:39 , as well as Finland's withdrawal from
23:41 the alliance. That is to say, the
23:43 Kremlin is offering its neighbors a
23:44 revision of their own security in
23:46 accordance with Russian wishes. Moldova
23:48 was also included in this same plan. It
23:50 is proposed to be transformed into a
23:52 federal republic, which would include
23:54 Moldova itself, autonomous Gagauzia, and
23:56 unrecognized Transnistria. And if the
23:58 country joins the European Union,
24:00 Gagauzia and Transnistria, according to
24:02 this proposal, should be given the
24:04 opportunity to hold a referendum on
24:06 independence. What does Moscow offer in
24:08 return? Withdraw nuclear weapons from
24:10 Belarus, if they were there, refrain
24:12 from deploying medium-range missiles
24:14 there, and withdraw Russian troops from
24:16 Transnistria. What? Once again, we are
24:19 talking about a version published by the
24:21 media, not an agreed-upon document. But
24:23 it gives a quite understandable idea of
24:25 the scale of Russian ambitions.
24:28 Under the guise of ending the war in
24:30 Ukraine, the restructuring of the
24:31 security of several states at once is
24:33 being discussed, and according to the
24:35 Russian scenario at that. And against
24:38 this background, it turns out that the
24:40 good-natured Kremlin, wiping away a tear
24:42 , agrees to Europe's participation in
24:44 the negotiations, but so far only
24:45 theoretically, notes Zabell. Peskov
24:47 stated that the door is not closed;
24:49 first, Moscow must assess the real
24:51 intentions of the Europeans, meaning
24:53 Europe is still being asked to prove
24:55 that it is worthy of discussing its own
24:57 security. At the same time, Kushner
24:59 assures that a deal is impossible
25:00 without the Europeans, and Putin is
25:02 ready, ready to involve them in the
25:03 process. According to reports, the
25:05 Americans asked Moscow to outline its
25:07 vision for post-war security, rather
25:09 than develop a detailed architecture for
25:11 it. European officials, in conversations
25:13 , call shifting the focus to this topic
25:15 before the war ends a Putin ploy.
25:17 António Costa reminds us that a security
25:19 architecture already existed, and it was
25:22 Russia—Russia itself—that destroyed it
25:24 with its invasion, yet Europe cannot
25:26 agree on a single negotiator. The
25:28 politician identifies three camps:
25:30 supporters of a common representative
25:31 led by Costa, France and Germany, who do
25:34 not want to cede the Ukrainian front to
25:36 Brussels, and supporters of a hard line
25:38 led by Kaja Kallas. And most importantly
25:40 , do not fall into the Kremlin’s trap,
25:42 warns Kaja Kallas, who suggests not
25:44 losing sight of the main goal: a
25:46 ceasefire. None. Russia continues the
25:49 war, yet is already demanding
25:50 discussions on how the rest of the world
25:53 should restructure its security. The
25:55 head of European diplomacy warns that if
25:57 one starts analyzing Russian demands for
25:59 a new security architecture, one could
26:01 fall right into the trap Moscow is
26:03 setting. Attention will shift from the
26:05 ongoing aggression to the wishes of the
26:07 aggressor itself. Kallas emphasizes that
26:09 there is a state that attacked and a
26:11 state that became the victim of the
26:14 No one attacked Russia; it was the one
26:16 that attacked others.
26:18 Her message to the discussion
26:20 participants sounds extremely direct:
26:22 people, get a grip.
26:25 >> If we start talking about what Russia
26:27 demands regarding security architecture
26:29 , we are effectively falling into the
26:31 trap it is setting for us, namely, to
26:32 distract us from the fact that a
26:34 ceasefire has yet to happen.
26:37 And as a result, we start listening to
26:40 Therefore, let us focus on what is right
26:42 in front of our eyes.
26:44 We have one aggressor and one victim.
26:47 And the aggressor has no security
26:49 concerns, because no one has ever
26:52 They attacked others. Get a grip, people
26:55 >> We must not get involved in these
26:57 psychological games.
26:59 If Russia poses a threat to Europe, then
27:01 the last thing you should do is discuss
27:03 how to organize your security
27:04 architecture with the one who is
27:06 threatening you. The position of common
27:08 sense was also voiced by Estonian Prime
27:10 Minister Kaja Kallas. He is quoted by
27:12 Bloomberg. The politician linked the
27:14 intensification of negotiations to the
27:15 crushing election defeat for the
27:17 Republican Party in the US. In his
27:19 opinion, American negotiators will now
27:21 desperately try to reach some kind of
27:23 agreement before power in Congress
27:25 shifts to the Democrats. The Kremlin
27:26 demands the entire Donbas and the
27:28 withdrawal of military bases from the
27:30 Baltic states, as if the state of the
27:32 Russian army and economy still allows it
27:34 to dictate terms to the whole world.
27:36 Journalist and host Dmitry Gordon calls
27:38 these ultimatums unfeasible and
27:40 ridiculous, and negotiations with Putin
27:42 at the current stage empty. According to
27:44 his assessment, blackmail lies behind
27:46 the Russian demands. Putin is trying to
27:49 extract concessions from the US and
27:51 Europe and buy time to regroup forces.
27:53 At the same time, Gordon is convinced
27:55 that no agreements will stop the Russian
27:57 economy’s movement toward collapse.
27:59 While the Kremlin bargains for foreign
28:01 territories and spheres of influence,
28:03 problems within Russia itself continue
28:06 >> And you can see how they are raising the
28:10 So, according to leaks from the
28:12 negotiations, what does Putin want?
28:17 Putin says we must return to the NATO
28:23 Listen, these guys are already drowning
28:27 They are already gasping for air.
28:30 The ground is burning beneath their feet
28:33 The economy is sinking altogether.
28:35 On the front, there is nothing, not even
28:38 a hint or prospect of advancement.
28:42 And they say: "Give us the Donbas." But
28:44 you can't even take it. "Just give it up
28:46 .""Hand over the Donbas." You know what
28:48 ? "And remove, uh, military bases from
28:51 Latvia, Lithuania, and Estonia." And
28:53 another thing, you know what? "Let
28:55 Finland exit NATO entirely."
28:59 Well, such an ultimatum, an ultimatum,
29:02 uh, for Europe and Zelenskyy.
29:06 Look, I'm laughing, but it's genuinely
29:08 funny. Do they think this, uh, Russian
29:11 audacity, Russian impudence, Russian
29:13 aggression, will just go through like
29:15 that? No, it's a different time now.
29:17 Europe has understood everything,
29:19 everyone has understood everything.
29:21 >> Political analyst Vadym Denysenko
29:22 suggests evaluating Putin's agreement to
29:24 European participation without illusions
29:26 . In his view, Moscow's goal is to
29:28 secure the lifting of sanctions in
29:30 exchange for security guarantees and
29:32 allowing American companies to act as
29:34 intermediaries for Russian goods.
29:36 Therefore, Europe's involvement was
29:38 predetermined, but European weakness and
29:40 the bias of the American side allowed
29:43 Putin to present his consent as almost a
29:45 royal favor. Like I said, the sovereign
29:48 . The main problem, Denysenko believes,
29:50 is not the name of the European
29:52 negotiator, but their mandate. Ukraine's
29:54 allies are torn between the desire to
29:56 end the war due to financial and
29:58 electoral pressures and the fear of
29:59 further Russian aggression after it
30:01 concludes. This contradiction, the
30:03 analyst warns, creates a risk of
30:05 fracturing the pro-Ukrainian coalition
30:07 in the coming months. Putin has his own
30:09 doublethink. He wants to trade with
30:11 Europe while simultaneously demanding
30:13 spheres of influence and threatening war
30:14 . This restrains European capitals but,
30:17 according to Denysenko, only slows the
30:19 coalition's fragmentation. Kyiv, the
30:21 analyst believes, also needs to change
30:23 its approach. Living by the templates of
30:25 2022 is no longer possible. Europe will
30:27 not be able to indefinitely accept
30:29 everyone in need, provide all necessary
30:31 funds, and maintain Putin's isolation.
30:33 Ukraine needs to work with its allies to
30:35 redefine common red lines. And they are
30:37 already shifting. And in five or six
30:39 months, the question will be: Are we
30:41 involved in decision-making, or are we
30:43 watching the deals of others? Therefore
30:46 , Denysenko suggests expanding the
30:47 circle of partners. Turkey, Egypt, Saudi
30:50 Arabia, and other countries also fear a
30:52 world where the strong are permitted to
30:54 subjugate the weak. On this basis, the
30:56 analyst believes, one can seek allies
30:58 while simultaneously breaking China's
31:00 strategy. His conclusion: expand the
31:02 chessboard and act based on the
31:05 realities of 2026, not 2022. And yet,
31:07 Europe is attempting to formulate a
31:09 common position at the summit in Dublin
31:11 on November 11–12. 39 countries have
31:14 signed a European security declaration
31:16 proposed by France. Macron has urged
31:18 Europeans to develop their own peace
31:20 plan. The document's main principle is
31:22 that decisions on Europe's security must
31:24 be made with its participation. The
31:26 signatories reaffirmed their support for
31:27 Ukraine’s sovereignty and territorial
31:29 integrity within internationally
31:31 recognized borders and the need for
31:32 effective security guarantees. The
31:34 declaration also addresses strengthening
31:36 European defense, especially on the
31:38 eastern flank, and freedom of navigation
31:39 , including in the Black Sea. Europe has
31:41 sent empires and spheres of influence to
31:43 the scrap heap of history. We will never
31:45 allow them to be revived, stated António
31:47 Costa. Let me remind you that it is
31:49 Russia that is undermining European
31:50 security. The document was supported by
31:52 39 out of 47 countries of the European
31:54 Political Community, including Ukraine,
31:56 the UK, Norway, Moldova, Georgia, and
31:57 all EU states except Bulgaria. The
31:59 position has been established. Now it
32:01 must be defended at the negotiating
32:02 table. Meanwhile, Moscow demands spheres
32:05 of influence, while Ukraine pays for
32:06 Russian ambitions with human lives. The
32:09 whims of a sovereign are law for the
32:10 subjects, but more often than not, these
32:13 blind fancies turn out to be a death
32:14 sentence for the state itself.
32:17 What is born in the sick imagination of
32:19 an absolute ruler as a fleeting desire,
32:22 history inevitably turns into ruins.
32:24 Michel de Montaigne, Irina Uzlova—our
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