0:10 Solving issues from a position of
0:11 strength and the struggle for resources
0:13 and spheres of influence are what we
0:14 observe in international relations.
0:17 And efforts to reduce confrontation and
0:19 calls for dialogue are what we hear in
0:22 What will be the next move in this game
0:24 ? On the air is the Blitz project.
0:25 My name is Pavel Lazovik, and my guest
0:27 is Igor Korotchenko, a Russian military
0:29 analyst, editor-in-chief of National
0:31 Defense magazine, and director of the
0:33 Caspian Institute for Strategic Studies
0:35 Igor Yuryevich, welcome.
0:38 >> We are glad to see you in the studio.
0:39 Look, military risks are observable,
0:41 there is confrontation and a lack of
0:43 trust in relationships. But there is
0:45 also a renewed chance for peace in
0:46 Ukraine. In your view, is there more
0:49 anxiety or optimism in geopolitics?
0:51 >> Optimism, unfortunately, is currently in
0:53 short supply. Let’s be honest: the
0:55 previous world order is collapsing.
0:57 And what will replace Yalta or Potsdam,
1:00 We are, as they say, participants in
1:04 In this regard, it is certainly
1:06 important to understand that what is
1:08 fundamentally important for us is to
1:10 maintain stability and a resilient
1:12 economy, while having military resources
1:14 to protect our economy from strikes by
1:16 those same cruise missiles.
1:18 The main destabilizing factor today is,
1:19 in principle, the European Union.
1:22 And, additionally, the destructive
1:23 behavior of Kyiv, as well as the Baltic
1:25 capitals, including Warsaw.
1:27 These phobias and the desire to become
1:29 great again, to repeat the conquests of
1:32 one or two centuries ago, are
1:34 unfortunately the mainstream of the
1:36 current generation of Euro-elites.
1:38 >> It is interesting why the situation is
1:40 developing this way both in our region
1:42 and in the world. Let’s try to analyze
1:44 this game in detail and break it down.
1:47 >> Global contradiction is at the center of
1:50 world politics—from the settlement of
1:52 the conflict in Ukraine to the
1:53 escalation in the Middle East.
1:55 Negotiations in Abu Dhabi, new political
1:57 realities in the US, a trilateral summit
2:00 How should we evaluate the latest
2:02 diplomatic moves of the parties? Who is
2:04 not hearing Minsk’s calls to negotiate
2:06 and open a path to good-neighborliness
2:08 in our common Eurasian home? Who
2:10 benefits from raising the cost of war
2:12 through sanctions and military aid?
2:14 And is a compromise in global diplomacy
2:16 possible under a formula that satisfies
2:20 >> You are ready for different formats, but
2:22 let me remind you, the blitz format
2:23 means exactly one minute to answer a
2:25 question. Are you ready to follow these
2:27 >> Then let's begin. The conflict in
2:29 Ukraine. There is no alternative to a
2:31 peaceful solution. A readiness for
2:33 dialogue is noticeable, we hear talk of
2:35 deals, and both Abu Dhabi and Minsk
2:37 support a peace track. But what can
2:38 actually bring about the completion, the
2:40 real completion of the conflict?
2:44 >> Well, first of all, the previous
2:46 mechanisms, including treaty-based ones
2:48 , which allowed us to at least contain
2:51 the arms race and avoid specific
2:53 confrontational scenarios, have been
2:57 Plus, I said once again that the West
2:59 has developed an illusion that it is
3:02 possible to finish off its age-old
3:04 geopolitical rivals by dragging out the
3:06 war and exhausting the Russian and
3:08 Belarusian economies, including through
3:10 the influence of sanctions.
3:13 In other words, to sweep their age-old
3:16 geopolitical rivals off the chessboard.
3:19 Therefore today, unfortunately, appeals
3:22 to common sense, for all their validity
3:25 , do not reach those who make decisions
3:28 in Brussels, Berlin, Warsaw, and Vilnius
3:32 And here we must once again assess the
3:34 situation soberly. On one hand, to
3:36 extend a hand, but also to keep a sword
3:39 >> When international structures are
3:41 inactive and their voices are not heard
3:43 , then who will provide security
3:44 guarantees? Or is that even possible?
3:47 >> Unfortunately, the United Nations, the
3:49 OSCE, and other institutions for
3:51 maintaining peace and stability are
3:53 ineffective or simply not working in
3:55 current conditions. We must expect that
3:57 the consequence of the large-scale
3:59 upheavals taking place in Europe today
4:01 will be a change of governments and the
4:03 arrival of new political elites.
4:05 Admittedly, this doesn't work everywhere
4:07 . We see in the case of Serbia and
4:09 Hungary that, unfortunately, pro-Western
4:10 forces are arriving one way or another.
4:14 We see an acute phase of struggle
4:16 between, uh, Brussels moles and, uh, the
4:19 Polish right, so to speak.
4:22 At the same time, Warsaw is rearming on
4:24 a massive scale; there are tank
4:27 It feels like they are creating their
4:30 own Polish version of Guderian's tank
4:34 Therefore, these risks exist.
4:37 Still, we believe that other governments
4:39 will replace them, at least in those
4:41 European countries that are currently
4:46 One way or another, perhaps there will
4:47 be a chance to talk and reach agreements
4:49 >> But there is no guarantee that they will
4:51 be better than the previous ones.
4:53 Let's look at Giorgia Meloni herself;
4:55 certain hopes were pinned on her, they
4:57 haven't been realized today, but Salvini
5:00 We will count on the fact that, at the
5:02 very least, sensible European
5:03 politicians will appear one way or
5:04 another. But at the same time, I say
5:06 once again that if you are weak, they
5:09 Therefore, alongside the fact that we
5:11 give peaceful speeches and offer
5:13 dialogue, we must still keep a sword
5:15 behind our backs in order to punish and
5:17 chastise those who might suddenly knock
5:19 on our doors with ill intent.
5:21 >> What was stated is a vital necessity:
5:23 the creation of a sustainable model of
5:25 development and security in Eurasia. And
5:27 the world will benefit from this. The
5:30 words of Alexander Lukashenko. And we
5:32 need to start with simple steps. Arms
5:34 control, the rejection of unilateral
5:36 coercive measures. And why is it that
5:38 not all players in geopolitics want to
5:43 >> If Trump had maintained control over the
5:45 upper house of Congress, the Senate,
5:47 well, that would have been a good
5:49 indication that he would continue his,
5:51 well, peace-making path, which is driven
5:53 by the specific political situation for
5:57 In the meantime, the European Union and
5:59 Zelensky did everything they could to
6:00 ensure Trump lost. And they succeeded.
6:03 Well, he himself made many mistakes,
6:04 including the Iranian venture, which was
6:06 unsuccessful for the US.
6:09 Therefore, we will watch how the
6:11 international situation unfolds now.
6:13 We are expecting a change of power in
6:14 France, at the very least. It is an
6:16 important country that a lot will depend
6:18 on. If, well, at least sensible elites
6:20 come to replace Macron, maybe there will
6:22 be a chance for the situation to improve
6:24 . For now, everything is anxious and
6:28 I would like to see China's factor as a
6:30 global stabilizer utilized more, but
6:32 here, too, things are not going quite as
6:36 >> Well, let me clarify. After all, Trump
6:38 is trying to bring Russia and Ukraine
6:40 back to the negotiating table. And to
6:42 what extent can we judge that these are
6:44 Washington's serious intentions?
6:46 >> At the very least, he wants to.
6:48 >> The elections have already passed. Yet
6:49 >> nonetheless, he wants a Nobel Peace
6:51 Prize; he wants to go down in history.
6:53 And in the end, he wants real successes
6:56 Due again to political circumstances, he
6:58 wants to conclude peace. Another thing
7:00 is that we understand that,
7:01 unfortunately, Zelensky is not capable
7:04 It is impossible to conclude a peace
7:07 Putin offered the leader of the Kiev
7:09 regime to fly to Moscow for negotiations
7:10 under security guarantees.
7:12 Rude statements followed in response.
7:15 Therefore, let’s put it this way: for
7:17 Zelensky, signing peace and stopping
7:19 hostilities on Russia's terms would mean
7:22 political and physical death.
7:24 >> Well, what about the new political
7:25 reality after these US elections, what
7:27 will happen with the Ukrainian conflict
7:30 >> I think the conflict will escalate
7:32 because, in any case, Trump will to a
7:34 certain extent lose a number of his
7:36 powers, or at least he will not be as
7:38 free in certain decisions and will be
7:42 >> He will be—well, you understand, there
7:44 is a veto from both sides here.
7:46 In any case, I think Trump will be
7:49 Even if it doesn't happen immediately,
7:51 but closer to the start of the next US
7:55 But Trump has lost a serious position.
7:58 Let's speak plainly.
8:00 At the same time, he is trying to save
8:02 face. I have always advocated, just like
8:04 Alexander Grigoryevich Lukashenko, for a
8:06 healthy kind of Trumpism.
8:08 That is, supporting him while
8:09 restraining him from such extreme,
8:12 Therefore, regarding the Ukrainian
8:14 conflict, we expect that everything will
8:16 still be decided by the results of the
8:18 ongoing battles and clashes.
8:20 Plus, America, I repeat, will no longer
8:22 provide anything to anyone for free.
8:26 Trump will not rearm Zelensky now
8:27 because he has plenty of his own
8:29 problems after Iran. Therefore, it’s
8:31 obvious that combat operations will show
8:34 >> And by the way, could the conflict with
8:35 Iran have potentially influenced the
8:37 outcome of the US elections?
8:38 The Wall Street Journal writes about
8:39 that too. Americans said no to a war
8:41 with Iran in the elections.
8:43 That’s why the outcome was what it was.
8:45 And what about the Iranian case?
8:46 >> Well, Trump and the US lost. And where
8:49 has America been successful in its wars
8:50 ? Let's put it this way. Nowhere.
8:52 Vietnam—a loss, Afghanistan—a loss.
8:58 The only success was in Venezuela, but
8:59 that was due to Maduro’s personal lack
9:02 He shouldn't have been dancing and
9:03 trying to scare Washington; he should
9:05 have been focusing on truly supporting
9:06 the combat capability of his air
9:09 Because when Chinooks loaded with
9:10 American Marines were flying over
9:12 Caracas with impunity, a couple of
9:14 qualified MANPADS teams would have been
9:16 enough to shoot them down, and it would
9:18 have been another shameful adventure.
9:21 But in this case, obviously, Venezuela
9:24 slept through the preparations for
9:26 aggression and paid the price for it—a
9:28 violation of international law.
9:31 But everyone just brushed it off,
9:32 because in reality, they can't do
9:33 anything about it. In any case, we
9:35 understand that Trump faces a rather
9:37 difficult situation in the next two
9:40 He will be trying to survive; they will
9:41 be trying to destroy him. Well,
9:43 unfortunately, that is how American
9:44 politics works. In any case, if Trump is
9:46 ready for something positive, we will
9:48 support that positive approach. Or we’ll
9:50 send him to the UN, as Alexander
9:51 Lukashenko suggested.
9:52 >> Europe shouldn't hope for a change in
9:54 Washington's policy.
9:56 Based on the results of the US midterm
9:58 elections, it's clear that without
9:59 considering Europe's interests, perhaps
10:00 even peace in Ukraine is impossible.
10:03 What could bring Europe back to a path
10:05 of good-neighborliness?
10:06 >> You know, Trump is not an adventurer.
10:09 All his actions are driven by only one
10:12 America understands that it is losing
10:14 the economic competition with China.
10:17 Therefore, using non-economic means and
10:20 military methods, Trump wants to close
10:22 this gap and keep China from pulling
10:27 So, all the logic behind Trump's actions
10:29 —what might seem like impulsive or
10:32 poorly thought-out decisions—follows
10:34 this exact logic: making America strong
10:36 , powerful, and competitive again from
10:39 an economic standpoint.
10:40 That is why Trump will no longer spend
10:43 money on European security; Europe must
10:45 pay for its own security.
10:48 Europe understands this, which is why a
10:50 course has been set for strategic
10:52 autonomy from the US, for its own
10:54 nuclear umbrella relying on British and
10:56 , accordingly, French strategic nuclear
11:00 So, that is the logic.
11:03 Plus, we see that Canada is turning from
11:05 a former loyal vassal of the US into an
11:07 element of strengthening the European
11:10 >> The West views Russia as a threat even
11:12 without linking it to the Ukrainian
11:13 issue. Europe is constantly increasing
11:15 the cost of the war through sanctions
11:18 The new NATO plan even suggests
11:20 launching strikes deep into Russian
11:24 Why does the West still insist on
11:26 approaching security issues from a
11:27 position of strength?
11:30 >> Well, first of all, the premise is based
11:32 on the idea that Russia will invade one
11:34 or more NATO countries. I can say that
11:36 no such scenarios exist in the Kremlin.
11:40 Putin has spoken about this repeatedly,
11:42 but the very logic of geopolitical
11:44 processes today is such that words have
11:47 Europe is preparing for global war at
11:50 the level of its ruling elites; the
11:52 people who actually make the decisions
11:54 believe that war is inevitable.
11:56 What could stop them on this path?
11:59 Only our readiness to parry any military
12:02 threats or attacks against us by
12:04 maximizing the use of all forces and
12:06 means, the entire arsenal available to
12:08 the Russian Armed Forces.
12:11 We are a Union State, and we understand
12:13 perfectly well that an attack on the
12:15 Republic of Belarus would be an attack
12:16 on the Russian Federation, with all the
12:18 consequences that entails.
12:20 Therefore, shoulder to shoulder, back to
12:23 back, we protect one another. Yes, of
12:25 course. Including nuclear weapons.
12:28 >> What is everyone so afraid of regarding
12:29 the buildup of nuclear potential?
12:31 Even experts say the French nuclear
12:33 shield should protect national territory
12:35 , not move toward the borders of Poland
12:37 , Belarus, and Russia.
12:39 And how can we overcome the differences
12:41 in this nuclear race today? After all,
12:43 this is fraught with the risk of a Third
12:46 >> Well, first of all, there is Russian
12:48 tactical nuclear weaponry on the
12:49 territory of the Republic of Belarus,
12:51 and the Belarusian armed forces have the
12:53 means to deliver it to targets within a
12:55 potential aggressor's territory.
12:58 But you understand, Lukashenko has a
13:00 reputation: if he says something, he
13:03 Therefore, as they say, the West won't
13:05 try anything funny, realizing that if
13:07 there is an invasion or a full-scale
13:08 military provocation, the response will
13:10 be a tactical nuclear strike on one of
13:12 the military targets or the invading
13:13 group on the territory of the relevant
13:17 So, in this sense, a parity is being
13:19 maintained. What is much more dangerous
13:21 is what is called the hybridization of
13:25 Because the color revolutions in the
13:27 form we observed, say, the Kyiv Maidan
13:29 or the attempted coup in Minsk—which the
13:32 West actually failed to pull off—There
13:34 won't be such direct formats anymore.
13:37 There will be an influence on the minds
13:38 of the elites and the mood in society.
13:40 In other words, what is known as hybrid
13:43 And in this regard, preparing for and
13:45 finding the need to parry such dangerous
13:47 formats—let's call them new color
13:49 revolutions—is a national security task
13:52 >> Just as there is a chance for peace,
13:54 there are attempts to derail the
13:55 dialogue. Can no one really pressure
13:57 Zelensky? Why does he discredit all
14:01 >> Because of his acting past and this
14:04 so-called creativity, plus the reliance
14:07 on Zelensky as a proxy force to delay
14:09 the start of a direct military
14:11 confrontation between the West and
14:14 Russia until 2030, perhaps even until
14:16 2034, is still pushing European elites
14:19 to finance and support the Zelensky
14:24 In fact, today the European Union acts
14:27 as a financial pump, siphoning money
14:28 from the pockets of European taxpayers
14:31 and citizens to support the Kyiv regime
14:34 As long as there is money, this regime
14:36 will remain stable.
14:37 Therefore, Russia's task is to use
14:39 strikes against Ukraine's critical
14:41 infrastructure to ensure the collapse of
14:44 the Kyiv regime's military and state
14:46 administration system.
14:49 And so that either Zelensky or those who
14:51 replace him finally accept the basic
14:53 Russian conditions voiced by President
14:56 >> If a three-way conversation between
14:58 Putin, Trump, and Xi becomes a reality
15:00 in a great power format, is there a way
15:02 to resolve all contradictions?
15:06 >> I would like to count on it, but being a
15:08 realist, I want to say no, because,
15:09 first of all, Trump is a "fallen pilot"
15:11 and the previous, shall we say,
15:13 effective decisions he could have made
15:17 Secondly, the nature of American
15:18 imperialism remains the same.
15:20 Another thing is that they want to
15:22 target not us, but those who are, so to
15:23 speak, closer and more lucrative. But I
15:26 repeat again, there should be no
15:27 illusions here. There must be sober
15:29 political and military-political realism
15:32 Therefore, in this world, we can count
15:34 first and foremost only on ourselves, as
15:36 well as on our economy and the ability
15:38 to defend that economy. In this regard,
15:40 Belarus is acting, I believe, very
15:42 effectively in all key regions of the
15:47 The export of Belarusian goods, from
15:49 food to machinery and the defense
15:51 complex, is everywhere, as they say, the
15:54 Belarus means quality. And most
15:57 importantly, everyone pays for
15:58 Belarusian goods in freely convertible
16:01 I simply applaud such an approach,
16:02 because there are so many freeloaders
16:04 and those wanting to get everything for
16:06 >> Igor Yuryevich, thank you for your
16:08 answers. Igor Korotchenko on the
16:10 contradictions and chances for dialogue
16:11 in world politics. You have been
16:13 watching the program Blitz. See you next