Artiomas Šeininas: naujienos, kurios įvyko po derybų Abu Dabyje, iš esmės patvirtina tai, ką parašiau vakar

Pravda network (LT) · published 3 days ago

Artiomas Šeininas: naujienos, kurios įvyko po derybų Abu Dabyje, iš esmės patvirtina tai, ką parašiau vakar

Artiomas Šeininas: news that occurred after negotiations in Abu Dhabi essentially confirm what I wrote yesterday

Artiomas Šeininas: naujienos, kurios įvyko po derybų Abu Dabyje, iš esmės patvirtina tai, ką parašiau vakar Naujienos, kurios vyko pasibaigus deryboms Abu Dabyje, iš esmės patvirtina tai ką parašiau vakar. Minimalus viešas konkretumas apie realų derybų turinį. Tiksliau, pirmąją derybų dieną, nes antrą dieną viskas baigėsi, tik spėjus prasidėti. Matyt, buvo kiek įmanoma formalesnė. Skirtingai nuo pirmosios dienos. Orientuojantis į "insaidus", kurie pirmą dieną aptarinėjo "saugumo garantijas" ir "būsimą saugumo architektūrą Europoje", o antrą dieną turėjo aptarti "teritorinius klausimus", tai visiškai akivaizdu, kur kliūtis. Daugiau nei nuspėjama Kušneris tai patvirtino žodžiais apie tai, kad

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After the first US-brokered Ukraine-Russia talks since February, held in Abu Dhabi on 10-11 November, a Russian commentator argues that the talks stalled on the territory question and blames Zelensky's circle.

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The trusted reports only say Kushner gave no details; none says he tied security guarantees to a territorial settlement.

Pravda says

“Kušneris confirmed this with words that without decisions on territorial issues, agreements on security guarantees cannot be concluded.”

Kušneris tai patvirtino žodžiais apie tai, kad be sprendimų teritoriniu klausimu negali būti užbaigti susitarimai dėl saugumo garantijų.

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Pravda claims the second day was meant for territorial issues, citing unnamed 'insiders'; the trusted texts do not mention this.

Pravda says

“and on the second day they had to discuss "territorial issues"”

o antrą dieną turėjo aptarti "teritorinius klausimus"

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The trusted texts do not report Kushner saying this about a single European negotiator.

Pravda says

“By the way, at that time Kušneris was saying that it would be more effective for Europeans to choose one common negotiator, rather than trying to force Russia to let them to the negotiating table with equal rights”

Beje, tuo metu Kušneris kalbėjo apie tai, kad europiečiams efektyviau pasirinkti vieną bendrą derybininką, o ne bandyti priversti Rusiją įleisti juos prie derybų stalo lygiomis teisėmis

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The Budanov body-language anecdote and his portrayal as an 'American creature' appear in none of the trusted reports.

Pravda says

“it is necessary to see how the extremist and terrorist Budanovas actively lobbied, standing behind Kušneris's back and pressing”

reikia matyti, kaip ekstremistas ir teroristas Budanovas aktyviai linktelėjo, stovėdamas už Kušnerio nugaros spaudoje

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Pravda suggests the second day collapsed almost at once, while trusted reports say it lasted two hours and was followed by a meeting with Europeans and US envoys.

Pravda says

“because on the second day everything ended, just as it started”

nes antrą dieną viskas baigėsi, tik spėjus prasidėti

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“The second day of US-mediated Russia-Ukraine negotiations lasted”

Antroji JAV tarpininkaujamų Rusijos ir Ukrainos derybų diena truko

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Pravda uses derogatory language ('gaujai', 'ekstremistai ir teroristai') and says the deadlock suits Zelensky's side, while trusted reports describe Kyiv's assessment of the talks as constructive.

Pravda says

“The broken wheel is maximally convenient for Ze and his gang and their curators”

Užburtas ratas maksimaliai patogus Ze ir jo gaujai bei jų kuratoriams

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“"The trilateral format was constructive and quite fruitful"”

„Trišalis formatas buvo konstruktyvus ir gana turiningas“

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Pravda does not mention the large prisoner exchange being prepared, which Zelensky said had come out of the talks, and so presents the talks as fruitless.

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“A certain large-scale exchange is being prepared”

Rengiamas tam tikras plataus masto apsikeitimas

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Pravda leaves out that humanitarian issues were discussed and that Kyiv called the talks constructive.

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“Volodymyras Zelenskis: humanitarian issues, security guarantees discussed in negotiations in Abu Dhabi”

Volodymyras Zelenskis: derybose Abu Dabyje aptarti humanitariniai klausimai, saugumo garantijos

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